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1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by bluGill »

lamsey wrote: post #69
gigel82 wrote: post #54

So, like a large scale scam to get your "downpayment" ? How would remote human operators scale, especially for the $20k "ownership" model? I presume the actual hardware probably costs them at least $10k to make, so after about 400 hours of "remote operator use", it's all loss on the company? I suspect they have a limit on use, or a pay-to-use-remotely thing they neglected to announce.

There is no way that the $500/mo or $20k flat price points are profitable. Cash influx is definitely important, but it seems to me that the real "value" from deploying with remote operators to handle any interesting tasks is in building an in-home data moat.

That could be profitable if it works well. If it proves very useful in the real world owners will brag about and talk about it making this the "in thing" to have. When people buy it that means they can scale. If this takes off I expect in 10 years the price will be about $5000 each and they are selling enough to make a lot of money. I'm assuming that they will design/build it to last about 10 years before wearing out which means repeat customers - not quite as good as a subscription but still something wall street likes to see.

There are a lot of best cases in the above. Time will tell if it works. I'm not betting on it, but I'm cautious so don't read too much into that.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by itsdesmond »

vineyardmike wrote: post #85
easton wrote: post #14

> For any chore it doesn’t know, you can schedule a 1X Expert to guide it, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. Is this a humanoid robot that's controlled by someone in a call center remotely doing your laundry? Putting aside ethical reservations about how much they are probably paying per task, that feels like wash and fold with extra steps.

This feels like the only issue is ethical. Presumably, this is a way to collect diverse training data for the robot to be trained on. Wash and fold as a service is valuable (to some people), and presumable the “extra steps” are offset with the in-home aspect of this. Meanwhile, the ethical considerations are huge. Laborers are literally training their replacement, and probably at questionable wages. They’re also expl…

Develop practices and training regimen at home office, pay well to attract quality talent, develop a positive reputation, lock users in with expensive hardware, outsource and offshore, enshittify aggressively.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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bluGill wrote: post #96
disambiguation wrote: post #76

Surely the overlap between people with both the wealth and the preference for industrial machinery remote controlled by an underpaid worker from the Philippines in their house (around their children) over an organic house keeper is vanishingly thin, no? The total addressable market for giant fighting robots on the other hand...

I cannot legally get a Philippine worker in my house at a price I could afford. Well I haven't checked on the exact immigration rules, but I don't have to bother to tell you that I can't get one that is enough underpaid that I could afford one. There evidence that elsewhere in the world people with similar wealth to mine have them, but they are not available in the US. I don't care who does the work so long as I can…

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Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by rdl »

I preordered one for $20k (so I'd get it earlier), but it's going to live in only public areas of house, outdoors, etc., due to privacy concerns. I think it will probably be sufficiently useful to be worthwhile, but I'll probably wait a few weeks from public launch to be more sure.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by numpad0 »

Is this thing vastly more anatomically correct than most humanoids? Thumbs are opposable, finger roots are somewhat more behind than most, has shoulders(at all), torso has at least pitch in the middle, etc etc. I don't know if it matters, but that looks cool to me.

Re: 1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order

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Post by krackers »

gmuslera wrote: post #62

The part of the video showing the robot putting glasses in the upper cabinet. It is something normal for humans, but it felt scary watching it being done by that robot. Maybe it was how it was handling the glass, maybe another kind of uncanny valley, or how I think present software should handle that task today. But I don't think it is ready yet to match our expectations.

The issue is might be the latency with teleop, by the time the operator realizes the glass is about to tip over, it's probably already fallen on the floor. So the robot can really only do one object at a time, and has to move about awkwardly. I do like all the ideas though, I hope they can get it to a polished state.
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