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Post by mensetmanusman »

troupo wrote: post #335
fvdessen wrote: post #315

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Unfortunately the AI Slop is probably the most effective way to fund AI research right now

By funding AI slop, you're funding AI slop, not AI research, or, quote, "drive adoption of AI across strategic and public sectors including healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, mobility, manufacturing, construction, agri-food, defence, communications and culture"

False, research works on grasping at the possible but not quite knowing how. Slop has stumbled into accidental success on a number of occasions.

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Post by panick21_ »

sofixa wrote: post #180
whimsicalism wrote: post #170

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"That you have 50 different states with slightly varying laws to consider (e.g. Californian Data protection)?" there are certain sentences you can just tell would never be written by an American lol

Got me, I'm not American, but isn't it true? California Consumer Privacy Act is a thing you need to take into account for Californian customers. Illinois has a Biometric Privacy Act. And who knows what Wyoming or South Dakota or Oregon have that you might take into account if your business falls under any of them.

How much oversight is there and how strong is? And if you cover Califronia, New york, Texas and Florida. Would those other places really stop you, specifically if its online? And even if you get fined, how much is that fine going to be?

Because they are plenty of companies just ignoring regulation and simply paying the fines, as the enforcement often a joke.

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Post by seivan »

dzikimarian wrote: post #130
whimsicalism wrote: post #57

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While grant process in EU isn't fun, I think Levels has bit of an ego issues. He mentioned that if he had issues like that on eg X, he would see Elon himself in the replies. While he is great at converting his influencer status to income in his micro-SaaS projects, I don't think running ad-fueled browser games on state-sponsored super computer should be really aim of these grant programs.

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by skissane »

UebVar wrote: post #229
arbuge wrote: post #125

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> Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. It's Semitic, to be precise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

Arabic, even. An outlier, as it is AFAIK the only arabic dialect that is not written with the arabic alphabet. Also it's far removed from other arabic dialects.

Maltese isn’t an Arabic dialect. Yes, the grammar and phonology and core function words derive from Arabic, but more than half of the vocabulary comes from Italian/Sicilian-North African Arabic may borrow a few words from Italian here and there (just like English does), but not >50% of their vocabulary.

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Post by ardit33 »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #226
ardit33 wrote: post #144

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Albania is not "East Europe", but South East. Same as Greece.

That's just your opinion, and the UN would disagree: https://www.un.org/dgacm/en/content/regional-groups#:~:text=... Some of my fellow Romanians will also claim they're Central European, but in my mind, all the ones I listed are Eastern European countries. I'd even include Turkey and Kazakhstan in there, part of the latter is to the West of the Urals, which is what we normally consider the border between Europe and A…

That's cute. It is clear thats an outdated political organization and not geographical. Read at the groupings. Greece is more eastern than Albania (and it is one hour off timezone), and it says 'western' which is not the case by any geographic means.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382295560/figure/fi...

https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w960-q80/upload/03/90/9b/countr...

Albania is clearly south east europe.

And, I don't care about your random Romanian friend's anecdote.

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Post by tadzikpk »

redfloatplane wrote: post #368

Some cursory clicking about didn't reveal to me the actual corpus they used, only that it is several trillion tokens 'divided across the languages'. I'm curious mainly because Irish (among some other similarly endangered languages on the list) typically has any large corpus come from legal/governmental texts that are required to be translated. There must surely be only a relatively tiny amount of colloquial Irish in…

That tracks. I learnt Gaeilge Uladh growing up and standard Irish feels like reading or writing a legal agreement compared to the spoken word…

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Post by panick21_ »

deaux wrote: post #140
whimsicalism wrote: post #104

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> When you talk to most EU business owners, even in tech, the limiting factor isn't regulations. This being the #1 reason is such a tired trope. Okay, what is the limiting factor? Because when I talk to EU business owners (admittedly, very few) - they point to lack of big EU capital markets, which is directly downstream of the policy environment. And when I talk to top EU human capital, they all point to the lack of…

> I think it is a complete misreading to point to protectionism as the reason for Chinese success, but having a big unified domestic market for consumers along with massive saving rates and capital controls probably does help. Capital controls are protectionist measures, but anyway, no. > Okay, what is the limiting factor? Let's look at which countries have a significant local software industry compared to population…

Are the solar panels and EVs 'dumped' or are they just actually cheaper to produce? I would argue its the latter. Sure there is some state investment in the supply chain, so it is in Europe. Sure the are EV subsidies and green energy subsidies, but so does Europe have them.

Fundamentally BYD cars are cheaper because China has localized the complete supply Chain or has very good raw materials import and local refinement capability. BYD invested themselves and spend 20-25 years vertically integrating while European companies put out huge dividend and miss major technology trends.

The EV market in China was hyper competitive with a huge number of competitors and the subsidies were strategically phased out to turn the industry competitive rather then relaying on protection.

The idea that China has enough money do 'dump' products in literally ever sector that people accuse it of 'dumping' AND at the same time have enough money for massive infrastructure programs at home seems like coping to me.

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Post by skissane »

adastra22 wrote: post #396
Muvasa wrote: post #310

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Malta and ireland

But if you’re only allowed one official language to add to the mix, they’d surely pick Maltese and Irish.

The history here is more complex than that… originally Irish was not an EU language because Ireland just used English… then as part of one the cycles of EU treaty renegotiation, Ireland successfully pushed for it to be made a secondary EU language… and then later successfully pushed for it to be upgraded to full status… so Ireland actually has two EU languages, their original one (English) and their newer one (Irish). Because the practical reality is everyone in Ireland is fluent in English-around 60% of Irish people can’t even speak basic Irish, and fluent Irish speakers is Also, English remains one of the main working languages of the EU bureaucracy, because for many EU states (especially in Eastern Europe) it is a more popular foreign language than the other two (French and German)-when Czech diplomats need to talk to Spanish diplomats, English is the language they choose.

This idea people have here that “each country gets to nominate a language” isn’t how it actually works. The treaties just contain a list of languages, and which languages are in the list is down to diplomatic negotiations not any coherent principle.

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Post by panick21_ »

whimsicalism wrote: post #80
webdevver wrote: post #77

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Wouldn't go that far. EU policymakers have good intentions, I believe - but ultimately are products of their environment and cultural inclination. The EU is such a bizarre place because they treat capital and entrepreneurs with such massive distrust, but never really bothered getting rid of the quasi-static entrenched hierarchies from feudalism? Like I'll go to the UK or France and there will just be massive swathes…

The problem in UK cities has nothing to do with feudalism. The massive lands most of those big land owners own isn't really worth that much. The really valuable land around cities is locked up by 1960s land use and building regulation. You have incredibly valuable land not developed because it has to be 'green' but its not some ancient woodland, rather its just a bunch of grass next to a highway.

Those 1960s regulation have a 1000x larger effect then any land owners owning a bunch of unproductive farmland or highlands.

Not to say there are no issues with large land owners, but its nowhere near anywhere close to being the issue with housing prices and living cost.

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Post by unscaled »

purrcat259 wrote: post #246
nxor wrote: post #60

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How are loan words viewed? Do businesses work in Maltese? Are monolingual speakers of the language regarded differently than those fluent in English? Do young people in Malta listen to Maltese music?

Maltese has been loaded with loan words since forever. 5 points if you can guess where bonġu, bravu and mappa come from. At some point there was some literary council for the language that decided that any new loan words should just be spelled phonetically. Computer became kompjuter. Businesses do work in Maltese and English. Both are official languages. Its quite rare to encounter a business that deals near exclusiv…

Not sure if I should be get bonus points for that, but if mappa means map, the ultimate origin is still Semitic. Latin seem to have took the word maappa from a Canaanite language. The word mappa (and it's older version "manpa") is attested in Minshnaic Hebrew (meaning a napkin or a tablecloth), although you could say Hebrew "re-loaned" the cartographic meaning - which is much newer.
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