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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by whimsicalism »

tokai wrote: post #87
whimsicalism wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't go that far. EU policymakers have good intentions, I believe - but ultimately are products of their environment and cultural inclination. The EU is such a bizarre place because they treat capital and entrepreneurs with such massive distrust, but never really bothered getting rid of the quasi-static entrenched hierarchies from feudalism? Like I'll go to the UK or France and there will just be massive swathes…

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And your comment is just a totally normal way of engaging with strangers on the internet :)

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by t43562 »

DrNosferatu wrote: post #56

1. It's a nice start, but the EU has to scale to Manhattan Project levels in order to properly compete with the US and China. 2. A credible scale effort for EU own silicon for AI Compute, wouldn't hurt either. 3. And this can only be achieved by vertical integration to combat fragmentation.

The Germans do have some neurpmorphic hardware. It might be smarter to invest in that to avoid having to build a lot of new power stations.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by td540 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #84
adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

Flemish? I remember watching a TV show in Flemish ( Hotel Beau Séjour [0]), so it's prevalent enough to invest that kind of money into. What about Basque? Is that too controversial? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Beau_Séjour

like British English vs US English, Flemish is a dialect of dutch

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by rich_sasha »

kreetx wrote: post #33
kaato137 wrote: post #29

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Balto-Slavic branch divides into Baltic and Slavic language groups so nothing wrong here

Yup, most of Eastern Europe are Balto-Slavic. While the division from the Eastern Slavic languages (Russian, Belarussian, Ukranian, etc) is distant, they are still Slavic. From Eastern Europe, only Estonian is not a Slavic language.

Latvian and Lithuanian are not at all Slavic.

There is a branch that contains both Baltic and Slavic languages, but there's also one that contains Albanian and Greek.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by mytailorisrich »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #84
adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

Flemish? I remember watching a TV show in Flemish ( Hotel Beau Séjour [0]), so it's prevalent enough to invest that kind of money into. What about Basque? Is that too controversial? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Beau_Séjour

I think those 24 languages reflect all the languages that are official languages at country level.

So for instance, Basque is not an official language of any country (only French in France and Spanish/Castilian in Spain). Belgium's official languages are French, Dutch, and German, "Flemish" is only a local variant of Dutch (Belgian French is also only a local variant of French).

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

td540 wrote: post #93
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flemish? I remember watching a TV show in Flemish ( Hotel Beau Séjour [0]), so it's prevalent enough to invest that kind of money into. What about Basque? Is that too controversial? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Beau_Séjour

like British English vs US English, Flemish is a dialect of dutch

Ah. That makes sense.

It's all Greek, to me...

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by RobotToaster »

mikrl wrote: post #81
Vinnl wrote: post #35

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Tomorrow there are elections in the Netherlands, and two parties are proposing adding Frysian to that list: https://neerlandistiek.nl/2025/10/kies-voor-taal/ Best get to retraining those models.

As a Brit I feel very at home when hearing/reading Dutch and Frisian. It’s a reminder that England and the Low Countries share a lot of close history all the way back to Anglo-Saxon times; of being fishers, traders, burghers and mercenaries moving around the North Sea chasing opportunities, spreading and augmenting languages. “Brea, bûter en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk”

If you've ever read anything written in old English, it's a even closer to Dutch.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by KronisLV »

Here's the models: https://huggingface.co/utter-project/models

I used the 9B Instruct version, from the small models, it was the one with the best Latvian knowledge out there, bar none. GPT-OSS 20B and Qwen3 30B A3B and similar ones weren't even close.

That said, the model itself was a little bit dumb and not something you'd really use for programming/autocomplete or tool calling or anything like that, which also presented some problems - even for processing text, if you need RAG or tool server calls, you need to use something like Qwen3 for the actual logic and then pass the contents to EuroLLM for translation/formatting with the instructions, at which point your n8n workflow looks a bit messy and also you have to run those two models instead of only one.

Meanwhile, the best cloud model for Latvian that I've found so far was Google Gemini 2.5 Pro, but obviously can't use cloud models in certain on-prem use cases.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by deaux »

whimsicalism wrote: post #57

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> What's REALLY much more important though if you want to be a part of the AI race and I've posted for years here with @euaccofficial is to make Europe a really extremely attractive place to start and run an AI business. Remove regulatory obstructions and give tax discounts for startups. Let them build a business first that can compete worldwide and once they make enough money (let's say $100M/y), then slowly start adding regulation.

When you talk to most EU business owners, even in tech, the limiting factor isn't regulations. This being the #1 reason is such a tired trope.

Ironically, China has in some ways a bigger regulatory burden when it comes to software, as there if the government doesn't approve the business is dead in the water. I doubt that Klarna would've gotten off the ground there, for one, I could see them being shut down much earlier there. In the EU only now very slowly are some governments even starting to talk about some weak measures around their business model. But I've never, not once in my life, heard "Chinese software companies can't get off the ground due to the regulatory burden".

The same people who clamor about the EU regulations are the ones who hate on the EU for their protectionist measures against US tech. Yet another bout of irony here - China's software industry has flourished exactly thanks to 10 times stronger protectionist measures against US tech. So has Korea's, and their protectionism has never even been anywhere on the China level, more inbetween EU and China. No, if there's anything that would help, it's much more tech protectionism in the EU.

Pieter Levels is at the end of the day an influencer, not a serious founder.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #95
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flemish? I remember watching a TV show in Flemish ( Hotel Beau Séjour [0]), so it's prevalent enough to invest that kind of money into. What about Basque? Is that too controversial? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Beau_Séjour

I think those 24 languages reflect all the languages that are official languages at country level. So for instance, Basque is not an official language of any country (only French in France and Spanish/Castilian in Spain). Belgium's official languages are French, Dutch, and German, "Flemish" is only a local variant of Dutch (Belgian French is also only a local variant of French).

Thanks. That makes sense.

In the US, people will resort to fisticuffs, over variants of Spanish. I usually translate into Castilian Spanish, because that seems to be the equivalent of "Vanilla" Spanish. No one is really happy (except the Spaniards), but I'm not accused of favoritism.

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