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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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So we shouldn’t focus on helping a subset of people because doing so is discriminatory to everyone else?

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Which law are you referring to? If you are referring to Presidential statements, they have to be followed by an actual regulation or else they are just a press release.

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> They’ve already chosen a side in this fight Yes they have, this is a time of choosing. So seeing which side tech companies have chosen, tech employees can now also choose accordingly. To everyone here who spent the last decade making $400k+options at these tech firms that are now funding this fascist administration, we see you. You are making a choice as to which side you are on. Remember doing and saying nothing i…

I’m not American, nor I’ve ever lived there. But I’m not sure what an average Google/Meta employee is supposed to do? Reality is, this is what an average US citizen wants. It’s not like the government was chosen without the support of majority or something.

The government was chosen with the majority, yes. That does not mean that the majority should have its way with everything, nor does it mean that everyone, even those who voted in favor at that time agree and approve of current behavior. I mean, why even hold another election if the majority voted for the current administration? Oh wait...

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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So what about the girl scouts, is that also discriminatory?

Yes, there was an entire supreme court case about that 30 years ago, a lawsuit against the Boy Scouts I might add.

That was against the boy scouts but the reverse lawsuit hasn't been filed against the girl scouts to my knowledge.

That said, law in the US and one’s opinions on what constitutes discrimination are different things.

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You slipped in "based on sex" for an intentional reason that I'd like you to share with the class. Say, is your opinion of the "sex is an immutable characteristic and fixed at birth and therefore trans people are invalid and should..."? Or maybe I'm just reading into your wording a little too much.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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You slipped in "based on sex" for an intentional reason that I'd like you to share with the class. Say, is your opinion of the "sex is an immutable characteristic and fixed at birth and therefore trans people are invalid and should..."? Or maybe I'm just reading into your wording a little too much.

You're talking to a trans woman by the way. Just thought I should throw that out there just in case you want to hurl some insults at me while you're at it too :)

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Encouraging specific people to submit applications is not illegal. Even based on those characteristics.

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Spamming the same bad-faith argument over and over in this thread on an account you clearly solely created for this purpose does not make it more true.

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So we shouldn’t focus on helping a subset of people because doing so is discriminatory to everyone else?

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STUDENTS FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS, INC. v. PRESIDENT AND FELLOWS OF HARVARD COLLEGE 2023

Held: Harvard’s and UNC’s admissions programs violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Pp. 6–40.

"(b) Proposed by Congress and ratified by the States in the wake of the Civil War, the Fourteenth Amendment provides that no State shall “deny to any person . . . the equal protection of the laws.” Proponents of the Equal Protection Clause described its “foundation[al] principle” as “not permit[ing] any distinctions of law based on race or color.” Any “law which operates upon one man,” they maintained, should “operate equally upon all.” Accordingly, as this Court’s early decisions interpreting the Equal Protection Clause explained, the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed “that the law in the States shall be the same for the black as for the white; that all persons, whether colored or white, shall stand equal before the laws of the States.” ...

"Respondents suggest that the end of race-based admissions programs will occur once meaningful representation and diversity are achieved on college campuses. Such measures of success amount to little more than comparing the racial breakdown of the incoming class and comparing it to some other metric, such as the racial makeup of the previous incoming class or the population in general, to see whether some proportional goal has been reached. The problem with this approach is well established: “[O]utright racial balancing” is “patently unconstitutional.”

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It is literally quid pro quo right now. you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such. But PSF doing this and not playing the game is really awesome. I just hope they can fund themselves through other means. EU should be stepping up more with funding for projects like this as a replacement for US tech. Major secure reliable funding for open source projects that EU infrastructure can be built on would only…

> you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such. Not to Godwin the thread, but that is exactly what the executives at IBM thought about their European subsidiary Dehomag in the 1930s. Soon they were custom building machines that organized the logistics of the Holocaust. They got away with it and kept all the profits and were exempted at Nuremberg, for the same reason as all the rocket scientists: America n…

Kind of like how we're building surveillance software and social media analytics. The future is starting to look like being hung with your social media posts and hunted using everyone's Ring cameras.
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