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How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by Retric »

hahainternet wrote: post #113
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is an incredibly secretive company. There were no indications the iPhone and iPad were on their way, either. Apple could have a dozen more products like that behind closed doors and we'd never know (until they start planting vague, conflicting rumors 6 months before release to start the anticipation media storm).

There were in fact lots of iPad rumours and I was mocked at the time for assuming they would introduce a tablet. Your memory is incorrect.

The iOS updates needed for the iPod touch > iPad jump where minimal. It was such an obviously good idea I like many people was surprised to took that long.

PS: iPod touch was released 2007, iPad was released 2010

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by mooreds »

huskyr wrote: post #97
andrewljohnson wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maps-gate, antenna-gate, BS-gate. Every time Apple ships an iDevice, the internet and tech press spin some yarn about a defect in the device, how it isn't a big enough improvement, how it's only smaller and thinner, how it's copying Android. And what happens... every, single, time? The public buys them in droves, and adores them to the last man. Apple Maps is both a strong technical flourish, and it's a bold strategy…

Note that Apple Maps isn't using OpenStreetMap. It's using a combination of a few different sources, mostly TomTom maps.

Here's a post about what data sources Apple is using: http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078987/apple-tomtom-op...

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by jonknee »

demallien wrote: post #48
andreyf wrote: post #17

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the old Maps app was perpetually stuck in 2007 while Android phones gained 3D views and (much more important) vector maps and turn by turn navigation I don't need or care about 3D view or vector maps or turn-by-turn navigation (although I see how the last one could be useful for a lot of users). I, like most city dwellers, need directions that take public transit into account. I can't believe Apple released an "upgra…

A couple of points spring to mind: 1) public transit is not a very big advantage. It is useful only in the handful of US cities that have decent public transport. In Paris, one of the great public transport cities in the world, google still doesn't provide public transport information. In 2012. Apple's solution, to rely on 3rd party devs for this has every chance if providing a solution to iPhone users before Google.…

If by a handful of US cities you mean 500 cities around the world, you are correct:

http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/transit/

Millions of people relied on transit directions from their iPhone every day.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by RyanMcGreal »

quaunaut wrote: post #7
redthrowaway wrote: post #3

The historical revisionism among the Appleistas is a bit disconcerting. This is not a matter of the "suits" overruling Jobs' "pirates". Apple's current anti-Google jihad is Jobs' baby. This is what he wanted. Now, it's entirely possible that he would never have authorized iOS shipping with a broken maps application, but to suggest that Apple's current direction is anything other than his idea and his impetus is naive…

Thing is, as much as I believe Jobs definitely was the one to start this(it's his quote after all), I don't think he'd cut off his nose to spite his face.

But would he accidentally erase it?

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by atlbeer »

pilif wrote: post #85

To be fair though: we could just as well be seeing the results of a contract expiring which to renew Google might have asked for unreasonable terms. Think of it: the iPhone came out 5 years ago and 5 years is a conceivable contract term, just as it was 5 years for the YouTube app. When the maps app was initially put on the phone, Google maps was more or less free. Nowadays it is very expensive (a bit better now, but…

This was my first assumption as to why Apple had to remove Google Maps / YouTube from iOS. They had a licensing agreement, it expired and Google saw a way to exact some leverage against Apple and the iOS ecosystem.

The only thing to keep me from 100% thinking that is why hasn't Apple said anything? They had to have known iOS6 maps and the removal of YouTube would at minimum play bad in the press on top of the user experience. Why not change the lead story.

The headlines would have changed the tone from "dumb-Apple" to "evil-Google" in a heartbeat.

Apple hasn't even hinted at this yet.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by SoftwareMaven »

josephcooney wrote: post #119
meepmorp wrote: post #61

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By refusing to grant them a license to their map data in iOS 6? or placing such demands and restrictions on the license that it's preferable to Apple to just go with what they have?

Apple had the choice of shipping nothing at all, or licencing map data from someone else.

The "license other" has been covered elsewhere, but do you really believe the current solution is more of a problem for Apple than no maps would have been?

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by Flenser »

The company has also gotten into bed with both Twitter and Facebook on social networking, and doesn’t offer any out-of-the-box integration with Google+.

Twitter integration makes sense for Apple. But Facebook integration does not, as I explained in June.

They are attacking Facebook too. The new social features for photos are a clear shot at Facebook as photo sharing drives much of Facebook's network effect. That's probably also why Facebook are getting in the phone business, as Apple are one of the biggest makers of cameras.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by joeblau »

kumarm wrote: post #63
joeblau wrote: post #19

I agree that the obsession against Google is hurting Apple, but I also feel that Apple is not the only company with a vendetta against Google. Twitter, Facebook, Yammer, Mozilla, and Dropbox are a few names that come to mind off of the top of my head. One thing that all of these companies have in common is that they had a product, and Google came though (or is coming) with its machine to copy/paste it as a Google pro…

Google Cop/Paste? Lets see: Apple -> Did not invent SmartPhone (In fact google invent smart phone since Motorola is part of Google now). Facebook -> Did not invent Social Network. Dropbox -> Did not invent File Sync. So how do you justify your copy/paste comment other than hate?

I never claimed that any of those companies invented any of the technologies. I'm just saying that after those companies became huge successes in their respective business segments, Google came though after the incumbents with a goal to gain market share. Android did come out after iOS was huge, Google+ did come out after Facebook was huge, Drive came out after Dropbox was huge, Buzz came out after Twitter was huge, Chrome came out after Firefox was huge, and so on with Search (Altavista/Lycos/Yahoo), Flights (Kayak, Cheaptickets), Offers (Living Social,Groupon), Mail (Hotmail, Yahoo), Play (iTunes), Maps (Mapquest), Talk (AIM, ICQ) etc...

None of the companies that Google copied invented their segments. It does seem that their aim to make each respective Google version of any product better they seem to piss off the incumbent companies. It's all just business and some of those endeavors that Google perused are awesome (Android, Maps, Gmail), and others aren't that great (Buzz, Google+). But in the end, all of the incumbent companies seem to get mad at Google and that's why I think that Google may be getting hurt more in the long run.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by josephcooney »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #136
josephcooney wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple had the choice of shipping nothing at all, or licencing map data from someone else.

The "license other" has been covered elsewhere, but do you really believe the current solution is more of a problem for Apple than no maps would have been?

No, but they still had a choice.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by yskchu »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #87

I cannot believe I hadn't heard or realised that the Youtube app had been removed! That's insane! Is this common knowledge or has it gone under the radar?

There's a Youtube app in the app store now, it's pretty good, check it out.

I like how you can read comments while watching the clip, you couldn't do that before.

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