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How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by meepmorp »

josephcooney wrote: post #58
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #28

How do we know this is Apple trying to hurt Google? How do we know this isn't Google trying to hurt Apple? The fact that this sucks so bad for Apple's users and seems to be a net positive for Google would seem to indicate it is likely to be otherwise. The fact that Apple extolled the virtues of its map is immaterial. Of course they are going to do that.

How does google force Apple to ship broken software again? I've forgotten....

By refusing to grant them a license to their map data in iOS 6? or placing such demands and restrictions on the license that it's preferable to Apple to just go with what they have?

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by fonosip »

redthrowaway wrote: post #3

The historical revisionism among the Appleistas is a bit disconcerting. This is not a matter of the "suits" overruling Jobs' "pirates". Apple's current anti-Google jihad is Jobs' baby. This is what he wanted. Now, it's entirely possible that he would never have authorized iOS shipping with a broken maps application, but to suggest that Apple's current direction is anything other than his idea and his impetus is naive…

Apple had no choice but to make its own maps. IOS5 already lacked turn by turn navigation because Google would not provide it (as a competitive advantage to android).

So Apple building its own maps it's mandatory. Execution has been sub par so far. But Apple has always been sub-par at cloud services. They are improving but slowly

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by kumarm »

joeblau wrote: post #19

I agree that the obsession against Google is hurting Apple, but I also feel that Apple is not the only company with a vendetta against Google. Twitter, Facebook, Yammer, Mozilla, and Dropbox are a few names that come to mind off of the top of my head. One thing that all of these companies have in common is that they had a product, and Google came though (or is coming) with its machine to copy/paste it as a Google pro…

Google Cop/Paste? Lets see: Apple -> Did not invent SmartPhone (In fact google invent smart phone since Motorola is part of Google now). Facebook -> Did not invent Social Network. Dropbox -> Did not invent File Sync.

So how do you justify your copy/paste comment other than hate?

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by philwelch »

ankushnarula wrote: post #45
milesskorpen wrote: post #21

This article makes a legitimate point about the maps application. But I don't get the strange tangent on Google+ — why would anyone expect Apple to anoint the social network of a competitor which isn't even that popular?

Yeah - to call Google+ the Google Maps of social networking is like calling Smalltalk the Facebook of OOP.

Is that a nested analogy?

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by jaredonline »

fonosip wrote: post #62
redthrowaway wrote: post #3

The historical revisionism among the Appleistas is a bit disconcerting. This is not a matter of the "suits" overruling Jobs' "pirates". Apple's current anti-Google jihad is Jobs' baby. This is what he wanted. Now, it's entirely possible that he would never have authorized iOS shipping with a broken maps application, but to suggest that Apple's current direction is anything other than his idea and his impetus is naive…

Apple had no choice but to make its own maps. IOS5 already lacked turn by turn navigation because Google would not provide it (as a competitive advantage to android). So Apple building its own maps it's mandatory. Execution has been sub par so far. But Apple has always been sub-par at cloud services. They are improving but slowly

Thank you someone for bringing this up. I can't believe how many actual reviews (not just meme's poking fun at iOS6 maps) have missed this crucial point. This isn't about Apple trying to somehow hurt Google by rolling its own maps app, this is about Google not giving Apple full access to their maps.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by kalleboo »

jaredonline wrote: post #65
fonosip wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple had no choice but to make its own maps. IOS5 already lacked turn by turn navigation because Google would not provide it (as a competitive advantage to android). So Apple building its own maps it's mandatory. Execution has been sub par so far. But Apple has always been sub-par at cloud services. They are improving but slowly

Thank you someone for bringing this up. I can't believe how many actual reviews (not just meme's poking fun at iOS6 maps) have missed this crucial point. This isn't about Apple trying to somehow hurt Google by rolling its own maps app, this is about Google not giving Apple full access to their maps.

The issue is nobody knows the truth here. I think the more plausible scenario is that Google wanted something that Apple refused to give (e.g., advertising revenue, user data, etc), making it not so clear cut as "It's XX's fault!"

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by yalogin »

From the last 10 years its very safe to assume that Apple would never ship anything like this if they are not forced to. I would bet that its Google that wanted to do this more than Apple. I do not doubt that Apple wanted to move away from Google maps but I highly doubt they wanted to do it with iOS6. This is article is ridiculous to assume that. Really bad.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by kalleboo »

demallien wrote: post #48
andreyf wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the old Maps app was perpetually stuck in 2007 while Android phones gained 3D views and (much more important) vector maps and turn by turn navigation I don't need or care about 3D view or vector maps or turn-by-turn navigation (although I see how the last one could be useful for a lot of users). I, like most city dwellers, need directions that take public transit into account. I can't believe Apple released an "upgra…

A couple of points spring to mind: 1) public transit is not a very big advantage. It is useful only in the handful of US cities that have decent public transport. In Paris, one of the great public transport cities in the world, google still doesn't provide public transport information. In 2012. Apple's solution, to rely on 3rd party devs for this has every chance if providing a solution to iPhone users before Google.…

In my experience, Google Maps' Transit coverage is far far greater than "a handful of U.S. cities". It's worked everywhere I've been in Japan, in Singapore, Hong Kong, Sweden, London, Athens...

The beauty of Google's Transit compared to apps maintained by the transit companies themselves is that it supports cross-company travel.

Re: How Apple's Obsession with Google Is Hurting Apple

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Post by eshvk »

jfoutz wrote: post #60
enraged_camel wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if he had lived for another five years, he would have made peace with Google like he did with Microsoft.

If he had lived for another five years, apple would have a new product. As it is, we're looking at ipad 8 and iphone 11. There are a ton of smart, talented people working at apple, but no indication of focus or vision. Maybe, after a few years of mourning, apple might be able to do something really new. As it is, all those smart people are going to keep doing what they have been doing. That's ok in most organizations…

> If he had lived for another five years, apple would have a new product. As it is, we're looking at ipad 8 and iphone 11. There are a ton of smart, talented people working at apple, but no indication of focus or vision. Maybe, after a few years of mourning, apple might be able to do something really new. As it is, all those smart people are going to keep doing what they have been doing. That's ok in most organizations, apple is a race car. It's delicate, fragile, and super fast. Also, it's never getting another oil change. let's see how long it runs until it throws a rod.

I am confused but do you know something we don't? How are you so sure that they have no long term focus or vision? As far as the rest of the general public is privy to, the only new products out are the slim 15" MBP and the iPhone 5, hardly enough samples to assert that there is no new product out there and they are only iterating on current products...

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