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Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by rauljara »

notatoad wrote: post #68
lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

Opera doesn't support websockets. I'm sure some socket.IO fans will tell me that's not a big deal, but it kind of is. modern browsers support websockets. and i know, this demo doesn't use it and will work fine in opera if you spoof the UA, but it's a lot easier to develop if you pick a feature set you're going to support, and skim out any browsers that don't support that feature set.

I agree with you that opera should support web sprockets, and I sympathize with web developers making the decision to develop for new technology and browsers that don't support it be damned. But the actual message myspace displays is pretty needlessly snarky and stupidly insulting. I also have zero faith they'll be able to update their browser detection script often enough to avoid looking like dinosaurs themselves from time to time.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

iamben wrote: post #8

The preview looks great. I just don't understand why anyone would come back to something they've already moved on from to do things they're already doing elsewhere. That said, I genuinely wish them the best of luck! :-)

There's a burgeoning disenfranchisement with Facebook IMO. People for whom Facebook is getting tired and old and for whom the interface is a drag may well be perfectly placed to jump [back].

This does look like they've refocussed back to the roots (?) of MySpace and gone tailored things towards bands/music again.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by lazyjones »

ceejayoz wrote: post #80
ghshephard wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like they are overlooking a market as well by excluding them. From: http://www.opera.com/press/faq/ "How many people are using Opera? Today, more than 275 million people are using Opera every month."

And yet, 0.14% of the folks hitting our servers are using it. If 10% of the world's Internet users are on Opera, where are they?

5.06% here (Austria) by IP addresses (10440 out of 206384 in 24h).

That's not counting those Opera users who switched their User-Agent string to MSIE or similar because of stupid JS detection like MySpace's.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by iamben »

anjc wrote: post #96
iamben wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most things I don't want a middle ground, though. I want spotify which beautifully plays all the albums I want, when and where I want them, and does it well. I want to look at my instagram stream in bed when I get up in the morning, use twitter at work, etc. I have no interest in mixing them. I mean - my musician friends love bandcamp and soundcloud - why would they go back to MySpace when other sites are doing t…

You and I, and probably everybody on HN, know what we want though, in terms of the services we use. We're a niche, and actual musicians and artists etc are a niche userbase too, and they wont stop using whatever the hot thing is in their area (soundcloud, let's say). So without sounding too flippant, if Myspace can make the average person think that all the cool people are there, that's where the average person will…

Will reply to both our conversations here!

I suppose I just think that not everybody needs, wants or cares about cool. I agree that often the average person will follow the tastemakers, but if you can't keep the tastemakers there, or it's just too out there for the average person (like crazy clothing trends, for instance), you limit yourself to just the fringe.

We may have to agree to disagree :-) It'll be interesting to follow it, though, right?

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by Apocryphon »

grandalf wrote: post #40
nostromo wrote: post #21

If this was billed as "FooBar: Justin Timberlake's new music social network" I would have signed up for an invite instantly. However, "sign up for an invite to MySpace" seems uncompelling. It'll be just as hard for them turn around the name MySpace as it would be for a night club that has become passe. (Maybe it's just me... I also signed up for an invite to WireDoo.)

myspace is now a retro brand, isn't it? Those who never left will be like the people who stuck with Apple through system 7.5.x through 9.x...

Same with the new Digg.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by notatoad »

lazyjones wrote: post #107
notatoad wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera doesn't support websockets. I'm sure some socket.IO fans will tell me that's not a big deal, but it kind of is. modern browsers support websockets. and i know, this demo doesn't use it and will work fine in opera if you spoof the UA, but it's a lot easier to develop if you pick a feature set you're going to support, and skim out any browsers that don't support that feature set.

Excuses, excuses ... Detecting required features by browser identification is not only so 90's, it's downright ridiculous. All it takes to detect websockets is: if ('WebSocket' in window) { /* Web Sockets supported / } else { / Web Sockets not supported */ } Ironically, this was taken from: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/introducing-web-sockets/ Also, every web developer with half a brain can use https://github.c…

It's not about detecting features. It's about testing: When you're developing a web app, each new browser you choose to support increases your testing time: starting out developing for chrome, adding safari support usually is just a formality. adding firefox support means a couple extra hours of testing, but everything usually works. adding opera support means your tests are going to start failing, and a bunch more work.

I'm picking on websockets because that's what's been annoying me at work lately, but it's just an example. the myspace demo doesn't even use websockets, it's totally irrelevant, but websocket support is a good cursory indication of whether or not it is a modern browser, and therefore how much development time will be added by officially supporting it.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by iamben »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #113
iamben wrote: post #8

The preview looks great. I just don't understand why anyone would come back to something they've already moved on from to do things they're already doing elsewhere. That said, I genuinely wish them the best of luck! :-)

There's a burgeoning disenfranchisement with Facebook IMO. People for whom Facebook is getting tired and old and for whom the interface is a drag may well be perfectly placed to jump [back]. This does look like they've refocussed back to the roots (?) of MySpace and gone tailored things towards bands/music again.

Bands was what MySpace did best. It'll be interesting to see if it can lure any back (or the audience for the bands - chicken, egg?).

Absolutely agree with the Facebook disenfranchisement. I often wonder if FB has just got too 'bitty' - would people prefer something like the super simple Facebook of yesteryear?!

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