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Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by aidos »

X-Istence wrote: post #113
aidos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentioned in another post - you can't always redownload. They don't keep older versions so you're screwed if you can't upgrade (I have an older machine stuck with Snow L).

If you purchased it from the Mac App Store it is kept around and you can re-download older versions. http://imgur.com/m7tLP that is a screenshot of my App Store purchases, notice that Mountain Lion and Lion are both available... --- Snow Leopard wasn't sold in the App Store and thus will not be available. You should have physical media for Snow Leopard.

Sorry, wasn't clear there - I have the physical snow leopard, iPhoto was the problem. I have the same screen as you but instead of the install button it says "Requires OS X v10.7".

Right now you might have access but who knows when it'll be taken away and you'll be back to torrenting the content you paid for.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by jlgreco »

X-Istence wrote: post #130
jlgreco wrote: post #128

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That is so incredibly un-user friendly and undiscoverable, it is absurd. How would my mother know to do that? Why didn't customer support have Rob do that?

Your mother would simply bring her machine to a genius bar at one of the Apple stores where they have all the required tools and media to re-install her computer. She wouldn't have had a tech come out to her house to replace it.

My mother does not live near an Apple store; the closest one is in the next state. Nice thought though. How exactly are consumers supposed to know which official support channels are the good ones, and which are the bad ones?

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by sneak »

_seininn wrote: post #83
kalleboo wrote: post #68

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You have a lot of patience. I would have resorted to piracy at around step 2 of the process.

wouldn't it simply be obtaining software via unofficial means rather than piracy since he already paid for it?

Indeed it would. Piracy it is not.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by sneak »

pasbesoin wrote: post #122
frio wrote: post #50

I wanted to blog about something similar myself, but currently lack a blog. Apple's rejection of physical media is, I would argue, extremely harmful. I have an old, 2008 Macbook (not Pro) 4,1. The old white plastic kind. Lion performs atrociously (at best) on it, so around half a year ago I installed Linux on it. Recently, I got around to buying a new laptop (a Lenovo), and wanted to restore OSX on the old Macbook in…

A bit of toothpaste diluted with water, and a gentle fingertip, may take that scratch out of your Leopard disc. Do less than you think is necessary , then stop and assess. In part, it seems some people "have the touch" for such work. I've fixed up a few abused (by others) music CD's this way.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4179024/Mac_OS_X_10.5_Leopard...

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5068890/Mac_OS_X_10.6_Snow_Le...

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

aidos wrote: post #131
X-Istence wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you purchased it from the Mac App Store it is kept around and you can re-download older versions. http://imgur.com/m7tLP that is a screenshot of my App Store purchases, notice that Mountain Lion and Lion are both available... --- Snow Leopard wasn't sold in the App Store and thus will not be available. You should have physical media for Snow Leopard.

Sorry, wasn't clear there - I have the physical snow leopard, iPhoto was the problem. I have the same screen as you but instead of the install button it says "Requires OS X v10.7". Right now you might have access but who knows when it'll be taken away and you'll be back to torrenting the content you paid for.

Actually I won't be torrenting anything due to having multiple backups in place. Just like I used to do with physical install media.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by runn1ng »

icebraining wrote: post #98
runn1ng wrote: post #90

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I am not sure if pirating something you bought is actually technically illegal or not. You are not buying the disk with the data, you are buying a license to run the software. Even when you pirate it, the license should still apply.

The copying (distribution) is still illegal, and you're probably guilty of "conspiracy" to do it.

Is copying it to your own disk a distribution?

I understand than with P2P networks, you are distributing the file while downloading and that's when they get upset.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by icebraining »

runn1ng wrote: post #136
icebraining wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The copying (distribution) is still illegal, and you're probably guilty of "conspiracy" to do it.

Is copying it to your own disk a distribution? I understand than with P2P networks, you are distributing the file while downloading and that's when they get upset.

I think more than one media companies actually tried to pass the "copy from disk to memory" as requiring a license. I'm not sure how the law views it.

Re: downloading, the EFF's Fred von Lohmann says it's probably infringement[1], and so do the media companies, of course.

[1]: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/p2p-downloading-i...

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by niels_olson »

steve8918 wrote: post #69

Can someone advise me on the point in the article about how Time Machine is insufficient to backup one's entire computer? My wife's Macbook Air uses Time Machine to backup, and I haven't done any other sort of backup with it. If her hard drive crashes, will she lose information, or is Time Machine reliable enough to restore her entire laptop? I just assumed it was good enough. If this isn't true, and if she loses any…

The first time I restored from time machine, it was pure accident: the logic board on my 2004-ish ppc iBook died, and my new 2008 macbook offered to migrate. I plugged in my firewire time machine drive and was off to the races.

Since then, I upgraded that macbook with an intel 160 gb SSD, and restored from a time capsule back up. No problem. I updated to a retina MacBook, migrated from a now time capsule back up of essentially the same system, and it died. Hardware failure. Proved, with Apple, o. Apple sold me a new one, but had to order what I wanted online. The sold me a temp. Out of paranoia, I built the system back from scratch and just restored my home folder. Then, when the new retina came in (third retina if you're counting), I again rebuilt, and restored just the home folder from time machine.

I have also kept using the old 2008 MacBook. Ultimately, I think I should have not tried switching the backup from the '08 to the retina. In the end, I abandoned that backup and just started new backups for both systems.

Through all that I have never lost a file.

I also have an iMac with a USB time machine disk. I have restored from that disk (after screen and hard drive were replaced under warranty) and the restore hung at "less than a minute remaining." I rebooted, things were weird, I rebooted into single-user mode and ran fsck. Rebooted, all files good, reinstalled 10.8.2 from app store because coreaudiod was acting weird.

As far as I can tell, all files still good.

I also backup everything to CrashPlan (family plan, so worth it), but have never had to go hunting through it to get anything.

Time machine gives me the heebie jeebies but has not failed me despite my worst efforts.

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