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Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

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Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

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Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

Speculating: Perhaps the answer is because Tesla does not respond to Press, much more frequently than other automakers.

- Tesla PR department = { } // the empty set

- CEO drives all external communication (pun intended)

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why all electric cars aren’t designed from the start to use 48v.

What would be the exact benefit for 48V? Virtually all electronics need a step down (buck) converters as they run at lower voltages 5, 3.3, 1.8. 12V > 3.3- 1V would a single step. 48V ones would likely require an intermediate step. The only exception would be running some power systems where it'd require less current.

Cost.

The wiring for 48V can be a lot thinner than it is for 12V. As there is a square law involved for resistive heating it turns out that wiring for 48V can use 1/16th of the weight of copper as that for 12V.

A switchmode converter can be designed for 48V just as easily as 12V.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#113
post #6

What happens in the edge case of losing HV during heavy braking on the freeway? Does the brake booster still function independently of the HV system, or is the driver going to have to push the pedal a lot harder?

The brake booster should have enough pressure for a few seconds of hard braking. They commonly fail on my vehicle (2003 LX470) and most people get a warning during failure and are able to come to a stop during the short few second window.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#114

Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

...... Huh? Kia and Hyundai's recalls for the trailer hitch wiring fire recall made national news. Toyota's recall of the rear view camera issue on the 2025 trucks too.

Granted I'm Canadian so that might make a difference, but Tesla recalls aren't the only one making national new. They just don't typically appear on Hacker News.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#115
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The battery pack contactor is one of the only, if not actually the only, moving pieces in a battery pack. A solenoid connects or disconnects the battery pack from the rest of the car's electronics. In this case, it seems to fail in the open state, meaning the battery was not able to power the car. Either there was simply a bad production batch of these particular solenoids or a change in supplier for this part. Model…

one of the only, if not actually the only, Pet peeve: The phrase is "one of the few," not "one of the only." If something is "only," it can't be "one of" something.

I thought it was a widely used and accepted idiom?

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#116
post #98

Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

I've owned three Audis over the last decade with no recalls Tesla deliberately pushes boundaries and breaks from tradition. That's admirable, but traditional manufacturers have decades of engineering knowledge behind their approaches for good reasons. Push the envelope enough and you'll have more misses and in Tesla's case more recalls

A quick search for "Audi recall" shows several recalls this year. Here's the first official link I found: https://www.audiusa.com/en/compliance/takata/

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#117
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The battery pack contactor is one of the only, if not actually the only, moving pieces in a battery pack. A solenoid connects or disconnects the battery pack from the rest of the car's electronics. In this case, it seems to fail in the open state, meaning the battery was not able to power the car. Either there was simply a bad production batch of these particular solenoids or a change in supplier for this part. Model…

one of the only, if not actually the only, Pet peeve: The phrase is "one of the few," not "one of the only." If something is "only," it can't be "one of" something.

That's not correct; you can say sentences like "The only moving parts in a dishwasher are the two pumps, the sprayer arms, the water inlet valve, and the detergent dispenser"; or "there are only two hard problems in computer science". So "one of the only" sounds just fine to me.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#118

Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.) Maybe you don't read enough legitimate/mainstream media? I see them all the time. Just yesterday: Ford, Dodge, Nissan among over 1.1 million vehicles recalled - https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/recalls/…

+1 Toyota Sienna recall earlier this month was national news and was mentioned on my mother in law’s local news broadcast causing her to call us.

Hacker News seems to post Tesla recalls, but national news websites that publish recalls seem to do it for every single recall, not just Tesla.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#119

Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

> virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do

That's wrong. There are regularly national news stories about recalls from other car brands. However, you'd still expect to see more Tesla news on HN because of the intersection with tech and startups.

Re: Tesla Recalls Almost 13,000 EVs over Risk of Battery Power Loss

#120
post #98

Other automakers have recalls all the time too. Why is it that every single Tesla recall becomes national news, but virtually no recalls by other automakers ever do? (I can only think of two exceptions in recent history: Takata airbags and Chevy Bolt batteries.)

I've owned three Audis over the last decade with no recalls Tesla deliberately pushes boundaries and breaks from tradition. That's admirable, but traditional manufacturers have decades of engineering knowledge behind their approaches for good reasons. Push the envelope enough and you'll have more misses and in Tesla's case more recalls

You are making things up out of thin air. These are recalls from JAN 2024- MAR 2025

  Ford Motor Company, 94 (7%)
  Chrysler (FCA US, LLC), 78 (6%)
  Forest River, Inc., 67 (5%)
  General Motors, LLC, 41 (3%)
  BMW of North America, LLC, 39 (3%)
  Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, 33 (3%)
  Hyundai Motor America, 28 (2%)
  Jaguar Land Rover North America, LLC, 26 (2%)
  Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., 25 (2%)
  Daimler Trucks North America, LLC, 24 (2%)
  Honda (American Honda Motor Co.), 24 (2%)
  Kia America, Inc., 24 (2%)
  Jayco, Inc., 22 (2%)
  International Motors, LLC, 21 (2%)
  Nova Bus (US) Inc., 21 (2%)
  Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing, 21 (2%)
  Nissan North America, Inc., 20 (2%)
  Tesla, Inc., 20 (2%)
  Mack Trucks, Inc., 17 (1%)
  Winnebago Industries, Inc., 16 (1%)
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