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French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by vkou »

timeon wrote: post #54
adev_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In short, yes. Additionally budget for political campaigns are strictly regulated in France. And getting bribes from foreign dictator is, of course, not allowed. The reason he did not get condemned also for that is that the judge could not proove the usage of the money.

> And getting bribes from foreign dictator is, of course, not allowed. Couldn't he setup some crypto fund instead? Or investment in ballroom? Or simply just receive present, let say plane, instead of money? Would that help him in this case?

In a country with a working judiciary, unlikely.

In a banana republic, the optics don't really matter in these kinds of situations.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by _ache_ »

kzrdude wrote: post #47
littlestymaar wrote: post #8

For context, it's not even the first time he's condemned, but this time the crime was sever enough so he couldn't avoid prison. He delayed the case enough (almost 13 years) so that he's now more than 70 though and I doubt he stays to long in prison because of his age. But it's nice to see that he couldn't run away from justice forever and is finally in jail.

I think you should say convicted instead of condemned. It's not really wrong, but condemned has many other connotations, which makes it less clear. It's not the first time he's convicted in court overall, but it's the first time for this charge.

Please, can you explains the difference between "convicted" and "condemned"? Convicted is about the fact of been a criminal and condemned about the fact that you have a condamnation/conviction/sentence?

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by Arnt »

byroot wrote: post #37
mytailorisrich wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Over 85% of people sentenced with 2 years or more await their appeal in jail, at least initially. I personally agree with you that shouldn’t be the case, but given Sarkozy made his entire political career about being tough on crime and harsher mandatory sentencing, I’d be appalled if he received any sort of special treatment.

Thank you so much for that number. It's a relevant fact, and while many people posted their opinions, you alone mentioned that fact.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by _ache_ »

oezi wrote: post #68
mytailorisrich wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He should not be in jail now. His case is going to appeal but the court decided to still jail him now "provisionally" (exécution provisoire), which sounds like a political play. Coincidentally, the same is happening to Le Pen with respect to the decision to ban her from elections... As for "delaying" the case, this is just the French court system for you. Everything takes years and years.

I think speeding up trials and the judiciary in general would be a great benefit for many western democracies.

Speeding is a big word here. It's been 13years already. But I agree with you. And actually Sarkozy was the most pushing politic to support this, not just when it's about him.

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Post by monerozcash »

dmurray wrote: post #38
qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

A bit of both. He definitely did criminal things, but they look worse because Gaddafi was such a politically unpopular ("terrorist") leader in the west. If he'd got the same funding from the Obama regime, surely he would never have gone to prison.

This is France, getting money from Obama would likely have been worse.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by byroot »

tasuki wrote: post #58

> Sarkozy said he would take two books with him into prison, a life of Jesus by Jean-Christian Petitfils and the Count of Monte Cristo The Count of Monte Cristo is a good choice.

It has nothing to do with literature.

It’s just a not so subtle way to claim he’s innocent and that he’ll get his revenge.

Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by wiether »

oulipo2 wrote: post #52

We, French, are very proud of having put an ex-President in jail, for his crimes of having tried to whitewash a dictator responsible for the death of more French people than the Bataclan terror attacks in exchange for money. This person humiliated our country, and we're glad our justice put him behind bars

I'm a "half empty" kind of person and seeing how much support he's still getting is quite sad to see.

Karine Le Marchand expressing her support is one thing, identifiyng herself as being part of the same caste as Sarkozy, but seeing the same support from regular folks, who have most certainly been screwed over by the ex-President...

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