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NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

Spooky23 wrote: post #407
mwigdahl wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tau Beta Pi is an engineering honor society with no Illuminati-style secret agenda. The only silliness associated with it is any concern over the "initiation rites and rituals".

Funny how joining a college club is more notable to this individual than “enslaver”

I did point out that he was a Nazi, and was attempting to shine light on the fact that he was connected to people in high places via a society that has initiation rites and rituals (what you are referring to as a college club).

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by imoverclocked »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #418
tibbydudeza wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese is planning a space habitat - the US is aiming for the same - it is rather different from the Apollo objectives. Mars is out of reach and not feasible.

Mars is entirely within reach if we wanted to dedicate the resources to it. If we can get to the moon over 50 years ago, Mars is nothing today. I don't necessarily think it would be worth it given the cost, but it is totally possible if it was a priority.

This is a vastly oversimplified take; Mars will be a monumental effort, far beyond what it takes to get to/from the moon.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

jjk166 wrote: post #402
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what every society with initiation rites and rituals claims.

And the overwhelming majority of societies with initiation rights and rituals are not world-controlling cabals. Turns out people just like having rituals (and afterparties).

Where did I say they were a cabal that controlled the world? There are many famous and influential people that are a member of that society, and they swear oaths and go through initiation rituals. Believe whatever you'd like!

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by tibbydudeza »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #418
tibbydudeza wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese is planning a space habitat - the US is aiming for the same - it is rather different from the Apollo objectives. Mars is out of reach and not feasible.

Mars is entirely within reach if we wanted to dedicate the resources to it. If we can get to the moon over 50 years ago, Mars is nothing today. I don't necessarily think it would be worth it given the cost, but it is totally possible if it was a priority.

To what end ?.

Mars is a total boondoggle - a colony would require constant supply runs from Earth to support a double-digit population - who is going to field the cost and what are they going to do there ?.

"The Martian" was work of fiction.

A lunar colony is cheaper and way more feasible.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by imoverclocked »

bahmboo wrote: post #227

"The president and I want to get to the moon in this president's term" - Sean Duffy NASA administrator. A scary way to set a schedule on a complex project with lives at stake. They don't care though.

To be fair, NASA schedules and goals have historically been politically aligned. It is also a known source of catastrophic failure.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by jjk166 »

cladopa wrote: post #224

Oh yeah. Replace the stainless steel by carbon fibre, give it to your pals of Boing and instead of being ready in 2030 for 2.3 billion it will be ready in 2050 for 50 billion. Much better for making your friends rich.

Stainless steel was a questionable choice for starship. If the pros outweigh the cons, which is yet to be seen, it will be mostly due to the peculiarities of Starship's other design choices. In general it's a terrible choice for rockets. I'm not saying Boeing would do a better job, but any actual engineer doing a ground up redesign starting today would definitely go with carbon fiber.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #424
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mars is entirely within reach if we wanted to dedicate the resources to it. If we can get to the moon over 50 years ago, Mars is nothing today. I don't necessarily think it would be worth it given the cost, but it is totally possible if it was a priority.

To what end ?. Mars is a total boondoggle - a colony would require constant supply runs from Earth to support a double-digit population - who is going to field the cost and what are they going to do there ?. "The Martian" was work of fiction. A lunar colony is cheaper and way more feasible.

I don't understand your response. I clearly said it's not worth it right now.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by Spooky23 »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #421
Spooky23 wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how joining a college club is more notable to this individual than “enslaver”

I did point out that he was a Nazi, and was attempting to shine light on the fact that he was connected to people in high places via a society that has initiation rites and rituals (what you are referring to as a college club).

I’m reporting you to the nearest IEEE branch.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by robryan »

ACCount37 wrote: post #58
bhouston wrote: post #3

Is this realistic? Doesn't the development timelines for a new large rocket stretch into more than a decade? Unless someone else had one under development... Could this just be a pressure tactic on SpaceX?

Blue Origin is explicitly named in Duffy's statement. And if SpaceX's Starship HLS catches enough delays, they can slide into Blue Origin's Blue Moon HLS timeline - which is now being developed for Artemis 5, in 2030. On top of working on a HLS lander, Blue Origin has a pretty large rocket developed already - New Glenn. They just don't have the reusability or the launch cadence, and their HLS needs at least two launc…

New Glen was meant to fly something around 6 times this year. At this point the best they will do is one additional launch to go with their first launch in January. Hard to see them doing any better timeline wise than SpaceX.
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