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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

cvoss wrote: post #55

This is a very problematic choice and as much as I want to think it wasn't malicious, at every turn it sure looks like it's meant to be inflammatory. I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW (under F-Droid's bizarre and very not normal definition of that word): To protect persons living in areas of the world where association with that religion is ruinous or outright dangerous due to p…

> label that accuses the text of being offensive

Abrahamic religious texts, and a lot of others as well, are offensive. They clearly and directly glorify oppressive and/or genocidal violence in the past. There's a very strong argument that they demand similar violence in the present and future. They definitely demand a whole bunch of evil and oppressive social institutions. They're more offensive than hardcore porn. Any "believers" who claim they don't really mean what they say should get exactly as much consideration as people who claim hardcore porn doesn't really mean the sex.

It's just that F-Droid shouldn't be in the business of caring what's "NSFW".

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by infamia »

moron4hire wrote: post #48

F-Droid "Anti-Feature flags" are not block lists. They are for users to filter content. The content is still available. >> When reviewing apps to accept, F-Droid takes the user’s point of view, first and foremost. We start with strict acceptance criteria based on the principles of free software and user control. There are some things about an app that might not block it from inclusion, but many users might not want t…

F-Droid is no longer accepting "NSFW" apps (as they dubiously define them) and will eventually remove them from the repo. This tag is only a stopgap until they figure out how to move them out of the F-Droid repo.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by TheTaytay »

madaxe_again wrote: post #10

I mean, yes, these are religious texts, but if we are to judge them on a level with other content, they absolutely warrant a warning. The abrahamic religious texts intersect largely around the Old Testament, which is a smorgasbord of genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse of all flavours, and all the rest. I guess the question is whether religious texts should be exempt from content warnings, in…

If you see this as the innocent equivalent of a “content warning,” then I would expect more apps to be flagged. The commenters in that thread point out numerous apps or games that are obviously built around content that is not appropriate for children.

Perhaps this is the only “think of the children” content warning they have, and therefore it seems odd when applied to religious texts. It’s like a movie rating system where there are only G and X ratings. If it’s not G, it gets lumped in with other stuff, including X-rated porn, and the only way to find it in our App Store is to allow for X-rated content.

Seems like a bug at best, but I think you’d have to be pretty naive to think this is an “aww shucks, rules are rules” application of some policy.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by mminer237 »

bigyabai wrote: post #2

The justification makes perfect sense. This Anti-Feature is applied to an app that contains content that the user may not want to be publicized or visible everywhere. The marked app may contain nudity, profanity, slurs, violence, intense sexuality, political incorrectness, or other potentially disturbing subject matter. This is especially relevant in environments like workplaces, schools, religious and family setting…

What Bible reader wants that fact hidden? That is the opposite sentiment of everyone I've actually seen. That honestly makes it seem even more illogical.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by grapesodaaaaa »

Hizonner wrote: post #56
grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not saying I agree with the rules, but we do have these categories requiring age verification now. They also seem to be arbitrarily applied. I’m just advocating that violent texts like this should also be included rather than treated specially.

Wait, F-Droid is doing/going to do age verification? Guess I have to find another app store. To use and to donate to. Stupid wars over what's NSFW are ignorable, but knuckling under to the AV gestapo isn't.

I’m not sure about f-droid specifically, but I know in the USA, 18+ content online is now required by law to have age verification in many states.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by baobun »

infamia wrote: post #62
moron4hire wrote: post #48

F-Droid "Anti-Feature flags" are not block lists. They are for users to filter content. The content is still available. >> When reviewing apps to accept, F-Droid takes the user’s point of view, first and foremost. We start with strict acceptance criteria based on the principles of free software and user control. There are some things about an app that might not block it from inclusion, but many users might not want t…

F-Droid is no longer accepting "NSFW" apps (as they dubiously define them) and will eventually remove them from the repo. This tag is only a stopgap until they figure out how to move them out of the F-Droid repo.

https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/252

Was not aware of this and it does put the flagging in a different light.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by madaxe_again »

ajross wrote: post #40
madaxe_again wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither uncle tom’s cabin nor the diary of Anne Frank advocated slavery nor genocide. I don’t think anything should be outright censored - but I also don’t think that “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”, or The Levite’s Concubine, for instance, is necessarily something you want to spring on people, and if we’re goin…

Again, distinguishing "advocacy" as your criteria for censorship is censoring on interpretation . I know you are sincere in your opinions about this, they won't change, and I even share them. They are still our opinions. We share the planet with people who think, equally inflexibly, that the bible does not advocate for slavery and genocide. And the way we do that without resorting to terrible violence (including slav…

But it does, and explicitly - it isn’t a matter of interpretation. Repeatedly god commands his followers to slaughter men, women, children, and even the animals of their foes. Repeatedly god tells his followers to enslave people, and that it’s fine to treat them abysmally as long as it’s not so bad that they die.

This isn’t my opinion of what the bible contains - any more than I could argue that Hellraiser is a cute movie about bunny rabbits.

Not all facts are subjective.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #65
Hizonner wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, F-Droid is doing/going to do age verification? Guess I have to find another app store. To use and to donate to. Stupid wars over what's NSFW are ignorable, but knuckling under to the AV gestapo isn't.

I’m not sure about f-droid specifically, but I know in the USA, 18+ content online is now required by law to have age verification in many states.

Very few of those laws apply to services that only have "incidental" content, especially if they're small, and for those that actually do apply, the right answer is to refuse to serve the affected states.

They would definitely have to blacklist the UK as well. And other places if I remember right.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by ajross »

madaxe_again wrote: post #67
ajross wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, distinguishing "advocacy" as your criteria for censorship is censoring on interpretation . I know you are sincere in your opinions about this, they won't change, and I even share them. They are still our opinions. We share the planet with people who think, equally inflexibly, that the bible does not advocate for slavery and genocide. And the way we do that without resorting to terrible violence (including slav…

But it does , and explicitly - it isn’t a matter of interpretation. Repeatedly god commands his followers to slaughter men, women, children, and even the animals of their foes. Repeatedly god tells his followers to enslave people, and that it’s fine to treat them abysmally as long as it’s not so bad that they die. This isn’t my opinion of what the bible contains - any more than I could argue that Hellraiser is a cute…

"The bible is not a matter of interpretation" is literally, literally how you end up in religious wars. Seriously?

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by orwin »

cvoss wrote: post #55

This is a very problematic choice and as much as I want to think it wasn't malicious, at every turn it sure looks like it's meant to be inflammatory. I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW (under F-Droid's bizarre and very not normal definition of that word): To protect persons living in areas of the world where association with that religion is ruinous or outright dangerous due to p…

The old testament has depiction of rape and violence. If the new testaments is also tagged nsfw though, I'll claim that their sensitivity is too high.
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