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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

1718627440 wrote: post #44
Hizonner wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the highest entity rather gets himself killed, then raising the hand against anyone Well, after personally destroying some cities, cursing an entire civilization with plagues including the death of their firstborn, and ordering the "chosen people" to take over some land by slaughtering everybody living there. And the "getting killed" part didn't remove the threat of eternal fire for anybody who doesn't go along wit…

> the threat of eternal fire Btw., the purificatorium is actually a bath (in Latin) and it's not eternal. Also Jesus isn't talking much about that. > You have to ignore a lot of stuff in both testaments to get to where you're trying to go. Yes. But it's still introduction and references for the punchline.

> "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels". -- Matthew 25:41

That's supposed to be a quote from Jesus, personally. In fact he's talking about himself saying that in the future. See that word "everlasting"? Other translations use "eternal".

It's permanent Hell. It's really, really clear. He doesn't have to talk much about it, because he's made the point.

[Edited to fix the chapter and verse]

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by TheTaytay »

timnetworks wrote: post #20

unless I am misunderstanding, this would allow you to hide the app from sharing settings, so that others don't see you are e.g. reading the quran (where otherwise they may have not known) and has nothing to do with whether or not you have a job where you e.g. work.

It also hides these apps from the search by default unless you enable the NSFW filter.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#53

Post by infamia »

baobun wrote: post #38
infamia wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gloomy Dungeons 2 is mentioned in the discussion as an FPS without the NSFW tag: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/27861#... The NSFW tag seems unevenly enforced, especially for an organization that is supposed to oppose censorship.

That looks like an oversight that could be addressed with a PR targeting that game.

No, there are plenty of other examples (just in games alone) to write off as a mere one-off oversight. It certainly seems targeted since they've targeted religious apps that don't even have any explicit content. For an app store that is supposed to advocate for freedom this is disturbing and very off-putting. The answer is not submitting a PR to enable even more censorship.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#54

Post by kazinator »

Generally speaking, only images/videos are NSFW-taggable.

The argument can be made than an app which displays religious imagery is not suitable for the workplace, but if it's just a reader with texts, then not.

If someone wants to spy over your shoulder to read text on your screen, and it doesn't jibe with their religion, that is their problem.

And, if that's where the goalposts lie, then atheistic texts could be offensive in such a way. I.e. a Mastodon post claiming "there is no god" should be marked NSFW and blurred out until you click something.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by cvoss »

This is a very problematic choice and as much as I want to think it wasn't malicious, at every turn it sure looks like it's meant to be inflammatory.

I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW (under F-Droid's bizarre and very not normal definition of that word): To protect persons living in areas of the world where association with that religion is ruinous or outright dangerous due to persecution.

Aside from that extreme outlier, this is very bad, to not only associate a censoring label to anybody's relgious text, but a label that accuses the text of being offensive in the name of not producing offense. Virtue-signaled sensitivity to users desires (as if that's a single, unified, knowable thing), "political incorrectness" and "religious... settings"? Yikes, so much irony. Anti-feature indeed.

This whole matter is far outside the bounds of a software repository's domain of responsibility, and it's inappropriate for them to try.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #50
Hizonner wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about "a small, strapped project that can use all the friends it can get shouldn't be wasting time on maintaining irrelevant metadata"? Not having categories like "NSFW" would be a nice level playing field.

I’m not saying I agree with the rules, but we do have these categories requiring age verification now. They also seem to be arbitrarily applied. I’m just advocating that violent texts like this should also be included rather than treated specially.

Wait, F-Droid is doing/going to do age verification?

Guess I have to find another app store. To use and to donate to. Stupid wars over what's NSFW are ignorable, but knuckling under to the AV gestapo isn't.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by TheTaytay »

moron4hire wrote: post #48

F-Droid "Anti-Feature flags" are not block lists. They are for users to filter content. The content is still available. >> When reviewing apps to accept, F-Droid takes the user’s point of view, first and foremost. We start with strict acceptance criteria based on the principles of free software and user control. There are some things about an app that might not block it from inclusion, but many users might not want t…

This hides those apps from the search unless that user enables the NSFW filter. When seen through that lens, I can’t imagine the overlap of users who are searching for a Bible app and who also want to show NSFW apps with them. When seen through that lens, it doesn’t seem like this is a user-friendly decision or one that is taking the user in control or taking their context into account.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by 1718627440 »

Hizonner wrote: post #51
1718627440 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the threat of eternal fire Btw., the purificatorium is actually a bath (in Latin) and it's not eternal. Also Jesus isn't talking much about that. > You have to ignore a lot of stuff in both testaments to get to where you're trying to go. Yes. But it's still introduction and references for the punchline.

> "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels". -- Matthew 25:41 That's supposed to be a quote from Jesus, personally. In fact he's talking about himself saying that in the future. See that word "everlasting"? Other translations use "eternal". It's permanent Hell. It's really, really clear. He doesn't have to talk much abo…

Yes, I don't disagree with you here.

In my opinion this doesn't describe anything happening in this world, so it is not relevant, whether to label it NSFW, and it isn't encouraging you to be violent in this world.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by bediger4000 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #34
burnto wrote: post #16

I know it’s not the stated reason for the flag, but maybe it’s ok to see a little bias towards atheism here and there.

As much antipathy as I have for religion, I disagree wholeheartedly. Bias in any form just enables rationalizing a counter-bias. And frankly, the folks who do exactly that sort of counter-bias today are very good at it. We should be careful about giving them more ammo, this tit-for-tat is tearing us apart.

I understand what you're saying but just like "absolute freedom of speech", the ratchet only works one direction. In fact you identified it as really good counter bias. It's analogous to Overton Window always opening to the right.

You've hit on a good point, but I don't know what to do about it.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by sipofwater »

* "New Oklahoma schools superintendent rescinds mandate for Bible instruction in schools": https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-schools-bible-mandate-su... (apnews.com/article/oklahoma-schools-bible-mandate-superintendent-630b2f706731224a070d7fef6a35b7d8)

* "Want the Bible in public school classrooms? There's an app for that": https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/11/04/an-oklahoman... (www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/11/04/an-oklahoman-wants-ryan-walters-to-considering-a-free-bible-app-instead-of-spending-millions-on-athe/75570802007/); https://archive.ph/14iDg

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