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Post by catlover13000 »

thr0w__4w4y wrote: post #226
catlover13000 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i forgot to mention these feeders just began entering the U.S. this year. there are several located in shelters and have helped many homeless cats find owners! hopefully they will continue to spread and help in communities that have stray cat problems

I noticed all the feeders seem to be similar / same. I'm in California, I feed 3 strays in an area where the average outdoor cat's lifespan is about 4.5 years (fires, traffic, hawks, coyotes, evil people). Right now my process is very manual but it's a labor of love. All 3 cats only show up after dark. Ring stick up camera, bowls out (clean them every day), run out on a motion alert, etc. problem is I also have racoo…

I am not sure. You could contact the owners of the english translated app and they might be able to help. Their information is on their website https://www.hipurrrr.com/

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Post by scotty79 »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

Very limited number of decades have passed since we considered torturing other humans prime entertainment do the whole family. Give us a minute.

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Post by scotty79 »

chimprich wrote: post #199
b112 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an immense difference between factory farming, and traditional farming, of which most countries and places still do. I don't know what sort of fantasy lifestyle people think wild animals live, but it's constant fear of death all day long, fights with other of its kind over territory, constant predation, disease, pests (including bot flies and worms), starvation during population upswings, dying of thirst dur…

> Compare that with protection from predators, medical care, vaccination, shelter, reliable food and clean water, and stress free lives until a quick and fast death. Comparing farmed animals to wild animals is not really the point. A better comparison is a farmed animal compared to that animal not existing at all. We make the choice to bring them into existence. Are farmed animals better off existing than not? I thin…

This argument can be made about humans. Are modern humans better of existing than not? Our lives also tend to be short, miserable and pointless. Especially compared to just not existing and never having to bother with this world's bs.

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Post by ridiculous_leke »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

I am with you on principle. But how to get animal protein without harming animals? Can't do milk & related products because of lactose intolerance and other vegetarian sources are not that protein dense.

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Post by ocean117 »

omcnoe wrote: post #17

These feeders are part of a stray cat control program in China, aiming to both feed & neuter stray cat populations there. There have been some distasteful incidents of online groups organizing to try and harm/kill specific cats famous through this feeder program. China lacks animal welfare laws to protect these cats, it's not a crime. So people have taken to identifying these abusers and reporting them to their emplo…

其实还好，这是极端个例，在中国都上不了几次新闻的那种，中国的绝育计划大多是民间宠物店或者宠物医院推动的，你可以从中国的抖音看着，官方除了几个发达城市直接不管，所以中国有着世界上最高的流浪猫狗群体，以及传播范围最广的狂犬病和最高的狂犬病疫苗滥用率，在这里甚至你被家养兔子咬了医生都会建议你使用血清。 In fact, fortunately, this is an extreme case, in China can not be on the news several times, China's sterilization program is mostly promoted by private pet stores or pet hospitals, you can watch from China's Douyin, the official except for a few developed cities directly ignore, so China has the highest stray cat and dog group in the world, as well as the most widespread rabies and the highest rabies vaccine abuse rate, here even if you are bitten by a domestic rabbit, the doctor will advise you to use serum.

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Post by gs17 »

tiagod wrote: post #143

Flipped to the second camera, and there's a hedgehog eating all the food! https://imgur.com/MIcjP4a EDIT: And now, what appears to be a Siberian weasel? https://imgur.com/3oZpZpK

One I went to had a flock of magpies taking turns eating cat food. Different crowd during the day I guess.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

dTal wrote: post #206
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think that slowly but steadily we got better though till the point that now everyone mostly considers slavery morally evil. Lets hope the same can be the case with animals as well. I can't emphasize the impact of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s (ea…

> aside from some eggs which I also can easily quit Curious why you don't, then. Factory egg production isn't pretty.

Well I had eaten last eggs I guess 2-3 months ago when my father kept on insisting it.

Otherwise i had quit it for an year straight or maybe longer, I just didn't want to say I had quit when I recently ate them (and actually I didn't like them thaat much) I rarely used to eat eggs but when they hurt my conscience I stopped eating it and its quite easy and I was never a true egg eater anyway, maybe on rare occasions which I have also stopped now.

So you could say I have quit :) but its always funny having my father explain to me that they are build in factories ,like, its still messy for those poor animals...

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Post by hollerith »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

You don't know what future generations are going to believe. The evolution of beliefs and norms are much too complicated for any person to predict.

The rhetorical ploy you just tried is only slightly more credible than "I'm a time traveler from the future. Here's what the people of the future think of the people of the present."

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Post by squigz »

econ wrote: post #228
squigz wrote: post #217

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No, you are not close enough. This minimizes the seriousness of actual slavery to an extraordinary degree.

It does? In what way? I think you underestimate the "normal" labor conditions in some places.

And I think you underestimate the reality of actual slavery.

There is nothing remotely comparable between slavery and a modern job. Feel free to make a more substantial argument as to how they are than "it's close enough"

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