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Post by squigz »

SapporoChris wrote: post #85
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

The pendulum could swing the other way and instead animal rights activists could be looked upon with complete disdain. Just like human rights, progress is never guaranteed.

Isn't it though? To be sure it very much depends on how you measure progress, but I do firmly believe that there is a slow but inexorable push forward in terms of equality, human rights, and various other issues. Yes, there will be hiccups, but we always move forward.

(I don't comment this to imply there's not a lot of work we have to do, or that there's not seriously fucked up things going on right now; but hope - perhaps, even, a bit of faith - is important.)

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Post by econ »

squigz wrote: post #208
aksss wrote: post #201

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I believe there are more slaves today than ever in the history of the planet simply due to population growth. While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil, most of the world does not hold that view. In fact, I would say the default human view (looking at all cultures across time memorial) is that slavery is the rule not the exception. That doesn't go away with modernity, it goes away with culture.

Out of curiosity, which parts of the world is actual slavery a normal thing?

Depends on how you define it.

If you spend pretty much all waking hours dedicated to some task you don't care about entirely to avoid dire consequences I'd say you are close enough. People might still want to use a different word to describe the same thing but it requires they care more about appearance than substance.

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Post by Samin100 »

eknkc wrote: post #63

This seems like a great program! Small anectode; My wife runs a cafe in Ankara, Turkey. A week after opening a random cat walked in and claimed one of the chairs. We started feeding him. Then another walked in... We left a large automated feeder outside and started spaying / neutering, vaccinating, deworming them. I think we neutered close to 20-30 cats. A couple needed medical intervention (broken limbs, infections…

Thank you for your efforts!

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Post by eaurouge »

aksss wrote: post #201
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #124

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I actually agree. I have said this in another comment but I feel like its up to us. Slavery wasn't eradicated suddenly and became suddenly morally bad, I think that slowly but steadily we got better though till the point that now everyone mostly considers slavery morally evil. Lets hope the same can be the case with animals as well. I can't emphasize the impact of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqwpfEcBjI&t=25s (ea…

I believe there are more slaves today than ever in the history of the planet simply due to population growth. While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil, most of the world does not hold that view. In fact, I would say the default human view (looking at all cultures across time memorial) is that slavery is the rule not the exception. That doesn't go away with modernity, it goes away with culture.

> most of the world does not hold that view

“most” is a lot. Which parts of the world?

> While everyone WE know thinks slavery is morally evil

Who is “we”?

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Post by pryelluw »

Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Futurama gets it once again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Problem_with_Popplers

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Post by squigz »

econ wrote: post #212
squigz wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, which parts of the world is actual slavery a normal thing?

Depends on how you define it. If you spend pretty much all waking hours dedicated to some task you don't care about entirely to avoid dire consequences I'd say you are close enough. People might still want to use a different word to describe the same thing but it requires they care more about appearance than substance.

No, you are not close enough. This minimizes the seriousness of actual slavery to an extraordinary degree.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ztetranz wrote: post #200
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #148

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I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. I have hope that America/ any country can fix itself though, it isn't too late. Let's still hope things change for better since I feel like a lot of countries are becoming radicalized in that sense. I guess we gotta be worried about what discourse we allow in our society or have some better checks and b…

> I am not even American but I remember McCain more and more when I hear about this. he was so much better than this. Very true. https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk?si=S65WGSBEGy8XEt27

I know, I actually watched multiple clips like these. he's a good man from what I can tell. Like he had his differences in political matters and that's okay. Its okay and even nice to have differences and to discuss them and from what I know his family served in military, his children served in military which is more than what you can expect from politicians nowadays all across the world.

I would say that I am a democrat but seriously, McCain was a class act as I said earlier.

Just a little disappointed in world politics right now, I hope politicans can look at people like John McCain and others and actually start being better as well.

I guess I could just hope I guess, but I am on bluesky and sometimes I get so extremist democratic and I feel like republicans could be alienated from that. Idk, we all gotta get together and figure things out with responsibility inspired by John McCain

Rest In peace Sir. You will be remembered all around the world.

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Post by wingtw »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75
Recursing wrote: post #35

I'm not vegan, but I'm always really surprised by the difference in how we see cats and pigs. See e.g. https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-venti... https://www.ted.com/talks/lewis_bollard_how_to_end_factory_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting The US also has basically no animal welfare laws for the vast majority of its animals

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

hm, if i understand you correctly (non-native speaker here) you are advocating for plant based diet - and if thats the case, I don't agree with you. It might be possible to live on plant based diet in Mediterranean, but here up north where i reside (and even further in Arctic) it is, I think, next to impossible to survive only on plants - human body, afaik, cannot get everything that is needed in this environment, purely from plants. Taking maybe a very graphic example to get the point across - Eskimos did not learn to hunt whales (which was and is for them very dangerous) for fun but to survive - to counter the cold you need to consume more calories than you can get from (with reasonable amounts of) plants. (of course in arctic, theres whole another issue of growing anything ). Ofc one might say that in today's world everything can be flown in, supplements can be taken - but what's the cost ? to the body, to the environment where the plants/supplements are manufactured...?

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Post by katbyte »

wingtw wrote: post #219
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future generations are gonna look back at us for our treatment of animals, especially farmed animals, much the way we look back at our slave owning ancestors. And just like we wonder how so many otherwise morally upstanding people participated in such an obviously abhorrent system as human slavery, they will think the same about people in our generation. Unfortunately, it turns out that social norms are extremely pow…

hm, if i understand you correctly (non-native speaker here) you are advocating for plant based diet - and if thats the case, I don't agree with you. It might be possible to live on plant based diet in Mediterranean, but here up north where i reside (and even further in Arctic) it is, I think, next to impossible to survive only on plants - human body, afaik, cannot get everything that is needed in this environment, pu…

No just that factory farming animals maybe shouldn’t be allowed. I have no problem with eating free range animals that live outside and are humanly treated and slaughtered even if the price goes up. I do have a problem with animal abuse which factory farming is.
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