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The Great Feminization

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Re: The Great Feminization

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What an absolutely hilarious idea that appeals to emotion are a uniquely feminine way to tackle a problem, while men just go on and make logical arguments, which I assume they then scrutinize rationally to be convinced by the most rigorously argued-for one.

This reminds me of my father getting so frustrated with something that didnt go his way, yelling about all the “idiots” that are the problem and that he was the only unemotional rational person there. Plus every other variant of this. I eventually told him he was one of the more emotional people I knew; that anger is an emotion. On the positive he started checking his random lashing out at these invisible (to everyone else) enemies.

Other than that, one need to look no further than the guys in the White House/ICE for examples of highly emotionally based men.

Re: The Great Feminization

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The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

If you look at things like physical strength for instance, the difference is quite marked. That some females can be stronger than some men does not change the fundamental distribution. This is not a construct of the mind. If male and female abilities differ, it should follow that our social expectations differ.

Would you assume the same thing about men? That a muscular man has different "societal expectations" etc. than a skinny man?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at things like physical strength for instance, the difference is quite marked. That some females can be stronger than some men does not change the fundamental distribution. This is not a construct of the mind. If male and female abilities differ, it should follow that our social expectations differ.

Would you assume the same thing about men? That a muscular man has different "societal expectations" etc. than a skinny man?

If by muscular and skinny you mean that one has more capacity for developping strength, then sure, why not ? Should our expectations not be based on ability ?

Re: The Great Feminization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at things like physical strength for instance, the difference is quite marked. That some females can be stronger than some men does not change the fundamental distribution. This is not a construct of the mind. If male and female abilities differ, it should follow that our social expectations differ.

So all of Donald Trumps arguments are emotional, and illogical. Are you saying he is actually a woman?

I did not say anything about logic or emotions. I'm also not sure I agree with your characterization of Donald Trump.

For the sake of argument, let's say I had mentioned logic and emotions and you were right about Trump. He would just be an example of an outlier (which by the way he obviously is, although not in the way you imply), not an argument against my point which is that male and female distributions are quite distinct for some traits, with little overlap.

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Compact is "post-liberal" illiberal, anti-individual, syncretism clickbait trash. They're trying to reinvent elimination of individual freedoms with elements of totalitarianism to make it seem palatable or acceptable. They're as misguided as the Unabomber's prescription for technological unemployment.

Re: The Great Feminization

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you assume the same thing about men? That a muscular man has different "societal expectations" etc. than a skinny man?

If by muscular and skinny you mean that one has more capacity for developping strength, then sure, why not ? Should our expectations not be based on ability ?

No, I meant exactly what you wrote. You say that since physical strength of men and women differ their cognitive abilities should differ too. The physical strength of muscular and skinny men differ too, hence, according to your argument, their cognitive abilities should differ too.

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I can’t take this author seriously for a number of reasons, but the main one being that she assumes groups of men are more likely to behave rationally. Anyone who has experience with teenage boys should know better than to say that, but even if you take that out of consideration life is just not that simple. Similarly for truth-seeking, men and women lie the same amount if their incentives are the same. Most people d…

From Sanjuro , as quoted here? https://ameblo.jp/fighting-toma/entry-12251883996.html Eg: "masculine" (relentlessly) open debate+unfettered pursuit of truth as advocated in TFA never sheathing the sword

That’s the right movie.

Re: The Great Feminization

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you assume the same thing about men? That a muscular man has different "societal expectations" etc. than a skinny man?

If by muscular and skinny you mean that one has more capacity for developping strength, then sure, why not ? Should our expectations not be based on ability ?

Sometimes the real strongmen cry and whine the most when they don't get their way.

Re: The Great Feminization

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Are you going to make an argument here? This isn’t aggressive or empathetic. Trying to mask your gender????

If we are just going to be serious here, the morphology of females differs significantly from males, and there are well documented behavioral biases that have been shown to predate or even defy socialization time and time again. Just because some people -want- men and women to be interchangeable in all respects does not mean that they are, or can be. Women bring a critical set of biases and skills to the human condit…

> some people -want- men and women to be interchangeable in all respects

That's a generalisation that loses all sense.

For example, you're building giant pyramids out of human corpses. Based on experiments and precise calculations, you know that you need x.y% more female corpses than male corpses, and get really angry when suppliers try to argue that men and women are equal in all respects.

Obviously, this is not the important question. We should ask questions about your activity as a whole instead.

(It might seem that my example is a bit over the top, but people around us do things that are just as bad, and with real enthusiasm.)

Gender issues are not just abstract, they are tied to problems people see in the society. It is not fashionable today to just state that someone is a swine to behave in some manner (and the answer would usually be that you are not allowed to limit anyone's freedoms), so dumb pathetic fences of bureaucratic states are used, and the talk about progress, benefits, equality, shared future, etc. floods the stage. However, you personally still either think that something is right, or that it's wrong.

During “millions of years of evolution”, in many places any woman walking alone without male relative or servant could be treated as a potential free sex toy. It was simply “evident” that anyone could try to rape her, and “everyone” knew that — men, women, kids. It was “natural”, and even the commandment about neighbour's wife could easily be seen as excluding “no one's” or “everyone's” wives, so it was even sanctioned from above. Obviously, it all stemmed from the heads of certain people, and changes introducing consequences mutated that “natural order”.

By the way, the figure of noble male saving damsel from the jerks is considered noble because... he could've joined the party, but choose not to. What a hero! Simple-minded people continue to see things the old way to this day when they expect heroines saved by the hero to have sex with him immediately. Because what are other options, really?

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The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

> The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. Straightforward male and female traits/roles pervade the animal kingdom, including the other great apes. Honestly, even entertaining this idea is female-coded. In a male space, the denial of so obvious a reality would be dismissed out of hand as obviously retarded.

Would it be feminine of me to ask you for a citation?
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