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The Great Feminization

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Re: The Great Feminization

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Post by techblueberry »

janwl wrote: post #8
ogurechny wrote: post #2

The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

> The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind No, they are not. And when we take into account that they are not, the whole argument breaks down.

Are you going to make an argument here? This isn’t aggressive or empathetic. Trying to mask your gender????

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Post by godsinhisheaven »

Powerful article, Helen Andrews just won some respect from me. I think this is going to be one of the big "relearnings" of our age, that Men and Women are different. Not just that we wear different clothes or have different heights, but that we are truly, honest to goodness Different. No need to cite any studies, no need to proclaim some proof of higher learning. It's just, obvious.

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Post by Isamu »

There’s a lot of male/female behavior I observe that varies with culture, I have doubts that if you are seeing behavior patterns that it’s an innate thing strictly related to gender. Particularly group behavior, you will see female groups from other countries that don’t understand American female groups.

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Post by culll_kuprey »

Clearly they should have had a man write this article. It probably would have some solid research behind it beyond just “vibes” and “theory pulled out of my ass”. Quite demonstrative of her points at least.

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Post by DuperPower »

ogurechny wrote: post #2

The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

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Post by cedilla »

What an absolutely hilarious idea that appeals to emotion are a uniquely feminine way to tackle a problem, while men just go on and make logical arguments, which I assume they then scrutinize rationally to be convinced by the most rigorously argued-for one.

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Post by arnoooooo »

ogurechny wrote: post #2

The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

If you look at things like physical strength for instance, the difference is quite marked. That some females can be stronger than some men does not change the fundamental distribution. This is not a construct of the mind.

If male and female abilities differ, it should follow that our social expectations differ.

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Post by [deleted] »

cedilla wrote: post #16

What an absolutely hilarious idea that appeals to emotion are a uniquely feminine way to tackle a problem, while men just go on and make logical arguments, which I assume they then scrutinize rationally to be convinced by the most rigorously argued-for one.

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Post by techblueberry »

DuperPower wrote: post #15
ogurechny wrote: post #2

The idea that there are straightforward “female” and “male” traits should seem quite shaky to anyone who is even a little bit into humanities. The problem is that both sides of the equation are constructs of the mind, both the thing we would like to measure, and the measure itself. Fighting journalistic simplification with journalistic simplification is not the mentioned “pursuit of truth”. So before arguing whether…

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Apparently you’ve never heard of pegging.

And who is dismissing easily? I’ll even give you that difference, but tying it to half the things she said in this article is probably not possible.

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Post by techblueberry »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #9

This is an actually interesting take on the societal problem (ie, some people hate woke, some people absolutely embrace it), and based on my understanding of human behavior, this isn't actually that wrong: men and women do have different behavior inside the tribe, and these behaviors, both good and bad, keep modern society from optimally functioning. Everything in society is colored by this, good or bad. Everything .…

> Also, a woman wrote that article, and I think the people here on HN missed that.

Based on what evidence? It was clear to me.

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