Earlier quoted context omitted.
Meh, Lubuntu or just go Openbox.
Or even better: xmonad
How do you use xmonad with Ubuntu?
Ubuntu Will Now Have Amazon Ads Pre-Installed
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#222This is just a sad development. Canonical sure needs money. Before this, the deal was that Ubuntu is free in both ways and Canoncial tries to earn money with support-contracts for corporations. That wasn't succesful enough (which maybe isn't too surprising with established forces like Redhat already in the market), so Ubuntu One marked a new approach, to monetize the wide distribution of Ubuntu by offering paid servi…
There are no ads in this update. Just affiliate links.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not the only one that thinks your claim is left wanting. I cannot speak for them but I am interested in why you think apt-get is preferred over dpkg in this case because I am a decade long loyal user of Debian. My original point was that the dpkg command is shorter and that is why I have used it over the longer apt-get invocation. I am generally interested in learning more about Debian. If the way I have been doi…
Okay fine "wrong" is perhaps too strong, it's rather "not appropriate/ideal". My point was simply that dpkg is lower level, so it should not be the go-to tool for normal users. The comment which started all this was the comment suggesting a command with "dpkg" was 'better' (because it was a few characters shorter I suppose), and I merely chimed in to point out that that was probably not a good thing to say, thinking…
> "this lower level tool provides more potential for mucking up your system; e.g., accidentally trying to remove an essential package; I believe dpkg wouldn't ask for confirmation right?"
Did you read anything I wrote? I specifically mentioned that dpkg would not remove an essential package...twice:
In my initial reply I demonstrated that dpkg would not remove an essential package:
root@fw:~# dpkg -P coreutils
dpkg: error processing coreutils (--purge):
This is an essential package - it should not be removed.
Errors were encountered while processing:
coreutils
"Furthermore some packages are so crucial (ie: essential) that dpkg does not even bother checking dependencies before erroring out."
> "The only time I've been forced to use dpkg in the past ten years was when the system was seriously messed up e.g. in the middle of a failed upgrade."
Just because the only time you had to use dpkg was when your system was messed up does not mean that dpkg is likely to mess up your system. Its like saying that the emergency room causes life threatening trauma because the only time I was seriously injured I had to go to the emergency room.
Does anyone know if there a name for this kind of fallacious reasoning? It seems like an amalgamation of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" and "cum hoc ergo propter hoc."
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#224Fedora is looking pretty tasty right now
I'm on a recently installed Fedora. I figured that it would be what I would settle with once I got tired of fiddling with things on Arch. A pretty good selling point was that it would readily handle our dual scanner and printer without me having to deal with the HPLIP software package, but I suppose this is a somewhat appropriate occasion to rant on a few bits. Some of them may be related to software Fedora is composed of, such as Gnome 3.
Non-administators can't add a password through the graphical dialogue if they are currently without password. "Choose password at next login" was the next best option for fellow family members interested in trying out Linux.
The infamous obscurity of the power off and restart buttons. You can read all about it on Google. Family members are sure to reach for the physical power off button and do cold shut downs once they want to use Windows.
The Firewall thing assured me that SSH is a trusted protocol, but incoming SSH connections were met with "No route to host." Disabling the Firewall fixed this.
Selecting Terminal in Activities gives focus to a currently open Terminal. Opening new Terminals can be done through the File dialogue.
Entering a non-existing command results in a very noticeable delay before the prompt returns.
I haven't found a way to enable focus follows mouse. Instructions on the web seem outdated.
I was met with a confusing "Enter password to unlock login keyring" window when trying to set up instant messaging accounts. I'm not sure, but it may have something to do with my changing from the original Fedora user password, or with using passwd. Empathy didn't really work out for me because of detail-lacking connection error messages.
These are some of the surprises I have encountered during the first day of working on it. I will probably stick with it for quite a while as it is acceptable to work on.
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#225Wow. So rather than work on making unity suck less, canonical works on ads. Awesome.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Time that nobody wants to or should need to spend, and time that isn't necessary with other distros.
I'm not saying that it's OK. I'm saying that this isn't the sort of showstopper for corporate Ubuntu adoption that the OP seems to be suggesting.
Business Desktop Remix 12.04 LTS
http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix
has Java, flash, vmware installed, and has had social clients removed. I imagine that the next version of this would omit the 'enhanced' Dash search 'feature' as well.
Enterprise is not the issue, the issue is the consumer tablet/netbook/TV space with crapware added.
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#227Someone has opened a bug report about this in LaunchPad. If you think this is a terrible mistake by Canonical, and that it should be fixed, you can mark yourself as affected by this bug too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shoppin...
In case you've never used this tracking system, the icon you need to click on is here : http://i.imgur.com/o02oX.png That yellow circle with the pencil in it. It should yield a pop-up for you to state whether it affects you.
The bug has been declared invalid. You can still record comments on Launchpad, and you can still say the bug affects you, but no action will be taken by developers.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay fine "wrong" is perhaps too strong, it's rather "not appropriate/ideal". My point was simply that dpkg is lower level, so it should not be the go-to tool for normal users. The comment which started all this was the comment suggesting a command with "dpkg" was 'better' (because it was a few characters shorter I suppose), and I merely chimed in to point out that that was probably not a good thing to say, thinking…
> "this lower level tool provides more potential for mucking up your system; e.g., accidentally trying to remove an essential package; I believe dpkg wouldn't ask for confirmation right?" Did you read anything I wrote? I specifically mentioned that dpkg would not remove an essential package...twice: In my initial reply I demonstrated that dpkg would not remove an essential package: root@fw:~# dpkg -P coreutils dpkg:…
Yes, in this particular case dpkg will behave perfectly well.
The OP is, I believe, trying to argue that apt-get is in general less likely to blow your foot off, therefore you should default to using apt-get in general since it makes you less likely to lose a foot in the long run.
If you prefer to memorise specific safe cases for brevity of typing, that's absolutely fine. The OP, I think, prefers not to do so, and the same goes for me.
Assuming I'm correct in describing the OP's argument, hopefully you can now both go "oh, okay, that's what he meant" and move on :)
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#229I cant wait to hear Richard Stallman's reaction to this. Neverthless, what on earth is Canonical thinking?!?!?
"I cant wait to hear Richard Stallman's reaction to this."
The 'feature' we are discussing can be easily removed, I don't see that rms will have too many additional problems with Ubuntu.
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#230While I don't actually use Ubuntu on a day to day basis, it was my go-to live disc (for when I inevitably break a Gentoo install). I find advertising extremely distasteful, and will no longer use or recommend Ubuntu. Anyone have suggestions for a distro equally usable as a rescue live disc?