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Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by homosaur »

arrrg wrote: post #110
homosaur wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1. It's an iMac. #2. You are wrong. http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2...

1) He was specifically talking about his laptop. 2) You are wrong. Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo. There is a difference. Apple only sold Core Duos for a very short time in 2006, right after their switch to Intel. At the latest, he could have bought a MacBook with a Core Duo on November 5, 2006. After that date, Apple discontinued the last one. So his MacBook is at least nearly six years old.

Then I'm sure he meant Core 2 and made a mistake, because I'd sure he wouldn't miss the computer's age by 50% if he purchased it.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by arrrg »

homosaur wrote: post #111
arrrg wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) He was specifically talking about his laptop. 2) You are wrong. Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo. There is a difference. Apple only sold Core Duos for a very short time in 2006, right after their switch to Intel. At the latest, he could have bought a MacBook with a Core Duo on November 5, 2006. After that date, Apple discontinued the last one. So his MacBook is at least nearly six years old.

Then I'm sure he meant Core 2 and made a mistake, because I'd sure he wouldn't miss the computer's age by 50% if he purchased it.

No, it’s pretty certain he meant Core Duo since (and that was the problem he was running into) all Core 2 Duo MacBooks support Lion while Core Duo MacBooks do not.

It’s easy to massively mis-estimate the age of the stuff you own. Happened often enough to myself, so I’m not really surprised about that.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

aidos wrote: post #34
cletus wrote: post #30

IMHO not having install media as the default option is a problem. It doesn't matter if all the media does is boot up a network stack and FTP it from somewhere and then run it but recovery scenarios aren't something you should have to twist yourself into a loop to solve. One of the advantages of the App Store model is that software is (AFAIK) easily redownloaded and reinstalled, so much so that I know people who have…

I mentioned in another post - you can't always redownload. They don't keep older versions so you're screwed if you can't upgrade (I have an older machine stuck with Snow L).

If you purchased it from the Mac App Store it is kept around and you can re-download older versions.

http://imgur.com/m7tLP that is a screenshot of my App Store purchases, notice that Mountain Lion and Lion are both available...

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Snow Leopard wasn't sold in the App Store and thus will not be available. You should have physical media for Snow Leopard.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

dchichkov wrote: post #16
miles wrote: post #4

It had surprised me when Lion came out that the installation was done by an "app", not as a bootable image. This is an unnecessary complication for those of us that need to maintain machines. Earlier, when updating a different machine, I had learned how painful this could be when the installation app destroyed the boot sector and I needed to reinstall Snow Leopard from DVD, and then upgrade that to a version of the s…

Yeah. I remember going through Snow L -> Lion. I wanted a clean system so had to make an ISO. Process reminded me a linux install from USB from 10 years back. And I lost iPhoto. Because suddenly my Macbook Air stopped being eligible for free iPhoto.

If I remember correctly, when I upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion I too lost my iPhoto, but that was because a newer version was required than the one I owned, so I had to re-purchase it.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by homosaur »

arrrg wrote: post #112
homosaur wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I'm sure he meant Core 2 and made a mistake, because I'd sure he wouldn't miss the computer's age by 50% if he purchased it.

No, it’s pretty certain he meant Core Duo since (and that was the problem he was running into) all Core 2 Duo MacBooks support Lion while Core Duo MacBooks do not. It’s easy to massively mis-estimate the age of the stuff you own. Happened often enough to myself, so I’m not really surprised about that.

Right, I definitely missed that, I read this article in three parts while making lunch and clearly skipped some paragraphs. It was my mistake that I though Lion was supported on these machines. I have an old Core 2 that runs Lion (poorly) but will not run Mountain Lion due to the crappy Intel graphics, not because of the processor.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

gizmo686 wrote: post #24
msbarnett wrote: post #11

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> I think the point isn't that is impossible to be able to do a clean install of an OS and apps (Time Machine included) you have already paid (premium!) for but the fact that it is non-trivial and very much involved - all the things for which the Apple system stood against. I'm not sure I agree? Apple's always optimized for the average person's average case. "Those of us that need to maintain machines" aren't the ave…

Why can't you have both? In Ubuntu, you can update your OS version from the update manager, but you can also download the *.iso and do a clean install. After they tack on payment and drm to the system, what about this can Apple not emulate?

What about this does Apple not emulate? I download and pay for the upgrade, I right click, show contents, resources, and voilá there is a perfectly good disk image sitting right there for me to burn to disk or write out to a USB stick.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by kora »

It really seems like the entire point of this article was the author declaring, boldly "I don't know how to use OS X," and that's Apple's fault.

They're not without issue, but I've done every single thing he's complained about not being possible……except installing an OS over Target Disk……but that's a stupid idea anyway.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

steve8918 wrote: post #69

Can someone advise me on the point in the article about how Time Machine is insufficient to backup one's entire computer? My wife's Macbook Air uses Time Machine to backup, and I haven't done any other sort of backup with it. If her hard drive crashes, will she lose information, or is Time Machine reliable enough to restore her entire laptop? I just assumed it was good enough. If this isn't true, and if she loses any…

From reading the article it sounds like he didn't try doing a Time Machine restore until he got to Lion/Mountain Lion, but the Time Machine was created in Snow Leopard.

If he had installed SL, run Time Machine restore and then run the upgrade to Mountain Lion I don't think it would have thrown any issues.

I've restored from various Time Machine backups in the past without any issues. I'm a happy Time Machine user.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by X-Istence »

homosaur wrote: post #111
arrrg wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) He was specifically talking about his laptop. 2) You are wrong. Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo. There is a difference. Apple only sold Core Duos for a very short time in 2006, right after their switch to Intel. At the latest, he could have bought a MacBook with a Core Duo on November 5, 2006. After that date, Apple discontinued the last one. So his MacBook is at least nearly six years old.

Then I'm sure he meant Core 2 and made a mistake, because I'd sure he wouldn't miss the computer's age by 50% if he purchased it.

All Core 2 Duo machines still run Mountain Lion. I have a 5 year old MacBook Pro purchased early 2007 that runs ML without issues.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by veridies »

arrrg wrote: post #40
mhenr18 wrote: post #35

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When I had issues doing an install of Lion (I wanted Lion on an external HD before I upgraded to ML), I just drove out to an Apple Store and booted off one of their network images. What Apple should really do is ship an app with OSX that lets you create recovery boot media (either on DVD, a thumb drive or a full on external HD). That would make things so much easier for everyone.

It doesn’t ship with one, but you can download it here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433 (That link is placed on this page about OS X recovery, so it’s not hard to find: http://www.apple.com/osx/recovery/ – though it’s important to note that this wouldn’t have solved his particular problem. You can only use this app on a system that already has Mountain Lion installed, so you have to think of this before you encoun…

Which is great, except when I did it, it just... didn't work. Would download the recovery OS, then just shut off.

I had to make a two hour drive to get to an Apple store where I could actually get a reinstall after my HDD broke.

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