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Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by rectang »

marcosdumay wrote: post #42
hombre_fatal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what are examples of these popups? Just because a modal window exists doesn't mean it's bad for accessibility.

Hum... Pretty much so. Unless it's a real emergency or the contents don't make sense until you do something, every modal window is an accessibility problem.

So is the appearance of any modal window something that justifies filing tickets with Firefox?

It doesn't sound like that's PaulHoule's motivation anyway — he knows that these tickets are not going to be fixed, just closed — the point is to "pour just a little bit of sand in the gears".

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by ryandrake »

marcosdumay wrote: post #42
hombre_fatal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what are examples of these popups? Just because a modal window exists doesn't mean it's bad for accessibility.

Hum... Pretty much so. Unless it's a real emergency or the contents don't make sense until you do something, every modal window is an accessibility problem.

Even if it is a "real emergency," modal dialogs still don't make sense because people are so annoyed by them, they don't read them. If you really, really want the user to read something, don't put it in a modal that pops up over the thing they actually want to do. They're pretty much horrible UX for any conceivable use case.

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by kirito1337 »

MrAlex94 wrote: post #11

Just an FYI for anyone who is interested, I’ve also been doing the same for Waterfox. Mozilla have taken into consideration doing things locally, such as tab organisation and the likes (one would assume pre-GPT era and with regard to features not utilising LLMs this would’ve been branded as ML functionality) but I’m not fully convinced this still won’t open up potential security issues in the future[for users of AI b…

cough Avast "secure" cough dies of cringe

fr Tor did a good job

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by marcosdumay »

bookofjoe wrote: post #36
ntoskrnl_exe wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm waiting for the day we get microwaves with an AI that turns them off once the timer reaches zero.

Mine have had that for as long as they've existed.

Does it send the zero-time notification to a cloud LLM endpoint that will send back a 10 kB JSON that instructs the oven to turn off? (Or not, how could we predict it?)

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by qwertox »

rectang wrote: post #34
stusmall wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you brag about that? Honestly, to what end? If your goal is to put sand in the gears what difference is there between this and trolling, spamming or just good ol' fashioned DOS?

Some people really really hate Mozilla. But this is the first time I can recall seeing someone deliberately consuming Mozilla's resources and undermining the project, rather than arguing against it.

Though in principle he's not wrong in opening an issue.

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by cowpig »

Since we're all here to complain about Firefox, I want to add that at this point I'm a firefox user out of principle, but I swear I get so many weird performance issues with firefox on ubuntu that it feels like self-flagellation in service of the gods of the free and open Internet.

Unfortunately they're the kinds of problems that are really hard to submit tickets for: gradual degradation of performance over the course of a week until I kill the process and start it again, the occasional crash that I can't seem to associate with anything in particular, a bizarre bug where every once in a while firefox slows down and typing letters into any input field has a ~30 second delay...

I've never cared about AI or Pocket or anything like that, I just want firefox to be reliably snappy. And I really, really don't want a browser ecosystem dominated by two for-profit companies.

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by stevemk14ebr »

PaulHoule wrote: post #5

I file a ticket with Firefox whenever an unwanted dialog pops up covering content. If you tag these as being accessibility related they get bounced back and forth between a few people before getting closed and thus pour just a little bit of sand in the gears.

That's childish and sad. Don't do that please

Re: Tor browser removing various Firefox AI features

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Post by kirito1337 »

aeon_ai wrote: post #3

Generally, this seems an obvious and correct decision for Tor. Barring integration with a locally run LLM, AI doesn't make sense for the Tor security posture - you don't want to be routing content to unintended/insecure third parties, period.

and for any malicious mfs, you dont want AI in your browser.
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