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Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by poly2it »

breadwinner wrote: post #29

I watched the video on the home page and thought it is weird that they spend an inordinate amount of time on frame rate. Who picks an editor based on frame rate? If you want to talk about perf in the context of a text editor show me how big of a file you can load--especially if the file has no line breaks. Emacs has trouble here. If you load a minified js file it slows to a crawl especially if syntax highlighting is…

It's not just frame rate, but also input delay. If you're using Visual Studio Code, you might be used to waiting 100 ms for a character you typed to appear. My personal workflow is based on Kitty and Neovim, which I've configured so that it can launch within 20 ms. Working without any input delay allows me to explore and edit projects at typing speed. As such, even tiny delays really bother me and make me lose my flow. I would believe Zed's focus on performance is motivated similarly.

Also, I do not believe Windows on Arm64 is a very large demographic? Especially for developers, unless they're specifically into that platform.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by [deleted] »

the__alchemist wrote: post #28

Is this something like Sublime? Light/responsive editor for one-off files? But maybe with some better introspection? That would fill a niche for me; trying it. FYI download+install is the smoothest experience of any software I've loaded recently I didn't build myself. Going to daily-drive it for a bit and see what's up; promising!

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Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by pezgrande »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #34
neurostimulant wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe try gaming-oriented remote desktop tools, like steam link or sunshine/moonlight. Those work great with directx, assuming you have a working gpu (at least integrated gpu) on your remote box. They also have way better latency, though use a lot more bandwidth.

How am I supposed to ask for permission from IT to install Steam or gaming related tools like Moonshine just to use a code editor?

By explaining the advantages over "older" methods. A lot of people use Moonlight/Sunshine for non gaming related stuff, specially considering than the alternatives are all proprietary.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by breadwinner »

scuff3d wrote: post #40
breadwinner wrote: post #29

I watched the video on the home page and thought it is weird that they spend an inordinate amount of time on frame rate. Who picks an editor based on frame rate? If you want to talk about perf in the context of a text editor show me how big of a file you can load--especially if the file has no line breaks. Emacs has trouble here. If you load a minified js file it slows to a crawl especially if syntax highlighting is…

This always makes me laugh. The editor was barely announced two years ago. They've built it from the ground up with native support now for three different operating systems. They're experimenting with some cool new features, and even though I don't care about it I've heard their AI integration is pretty damn good. But waaaaah they don't support a processor that accounts for probably less then 10% of Windows Machines

Ubiquity is pretty important when you're going to invest in learning a new editor. This is one of the advantages of vim for example. It is available everywhere... linux, windows, terminal, gui, etc.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

#45

Post by breadwinner »

poly2it wrote: post #41
breadwinner wrote: post #29

I watched the video on the home page and thought it is weird that they spend an inordinate amount of time on frame rate. Who picks an editor based on frame rate? If you want to talk about perf in the context of a text editor show me how big of a file you can load--especially if the file has no line breaks. Emacs has trouble here. If you load a minified js file it slows to a crawl especially if syntax highlighting is…

It's not just frame rate, but also input delay. If you're using Visual Studio Code, you might be used to waiting 100 ms for a character you typed to appear. My personal workflow is based on Kitty and Neovim, which I've configured so that it can launch within 20 ms. Working without any input delay allows me to explore and edit projects at typing speed. As such, even tiny delays really bother me and make me lose my flo…

It is 18% according to this story: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/projections-show-that-a...

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by desireco42 »

I don't use windows, but this is good development as all platforms should be present for editors to be worth using. I am happy Zed user since long time, I am happy it had kept with out demands, with adding AI, Git etc. Also integration of cli tools into AI is excellent and really refreshing.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by evil-olive »

the__alchemist wrote: post #28

Is this something like Sublime? Light/responsive editor for one-off files? But maybe with some better introspection? That would fill a niche for me; trying it. FYI download+install is the smoothest experience of any software I've loaded recently I didn't build myself. Going to daily-drive it for a bit and see what's up; promising!

as a 10+ year Sublime user, Zed is the best of the more "modern" GUI editors I've tried.

I haven't fully switched over to using it as my daily-driver because Zed's heavy reliance on GPU rendering means that it locks up every time I suspend & resume my Linux box [0,1] but I'm optimistic about the progress they're making on it.

0: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7940

1: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/23288

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

#48

Post by Maxatar »

1a527dd5 wrote: post #25
jsheard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's more of an issue with your system than an issue with Zed, you have to veer pretty far from the beaten path to not have proper DirectX nowadays. Are you running Windows in a VM?

No, but I am remoted in to my dev box (over RDP/mstsc).

If you're using it via RDP then you won't notice any rendering performance issues since RDP itself has terrible rendering performance.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by 0x696C6961 »

timfsu wrote: post #31

Unfortunately, I tried to use zed as my daily driver, but the typescript experience was subpar. While the editor itself was snappy, LSP actions like "jump to declaration" were incredibly slow on our codebase compared to VS Code / Cursor.

That doesn't make sense, they both use tsserver under the hood.

Re: Zed is now available on Windows

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Post by kbolino »

breadwinner wrote: post #45
poly2it wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just frame rate, but also input delay. If you're using Visual Studio Code, you might be used to waiting 100 ms for a character you typed to appear. My personal workflow is based on Kitty and Neovim, which I've configured so that it can launch within 20 ms. Working without any input delay allows me to explore and edit projects at typing speed. As such, even tiny delays really bother me and make me lose my flo…

It is 18% according to this story: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/projections-show-that-a...

Most of that is macOS and ChromeOS, not Windows.
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