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FSF announces Librephone project

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Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#111

The world could have been very different today if Nintendo or Sony had put phone functionality in the DS and Vita. Any reason that can't happen now in something like the Steam Deck?

USB modems exist and work on Linux[0]. The Steam Deck is a Linux computer with a USB port. You could be living this reality today.

[0] https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/usb-4g-lte-advanced-m...

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#113

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Most importantly is to continue supporting web browser access and open web protocols. Then anyone with a web browser and device can use all the apps.

Actually "open" is a misnomer, maybe it was a decade ago but it's clear that Big G has an effective monopoly over browser(s), the web "standards", and is gradually making them more user-hostile.

It's still significantly more open than any other platform. Believe it or not, Mozilla is not asleep at the wheel, and neither is Apple.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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Ultimately, I don't think the most important challenge is in binary firmware blobs, but the software which people depend upon to run their lives. What does it matter if you can run a completely free software stack on your phone, if your bank software (or your required government ID, as is looking depressingly likely) requires you to run a Big Tech approved phone OS? Perhaps the FSF can't do much about that, but that…

There is one solution to this problem that many people reading this message can contribute to: Make sure your app has a progressive web app version that has feature parity with the store apps. That way, the app will work on phones like the librephone, and, if Apple or Google decide to kick you off the store, you and your users have some recourse. As a bonus, it’s compatible with open source — users can modify the app…

This won't help if Google/Apple/Microsoft roll out integrity checks for browsers, something which they have already suggested they want to do.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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If rich techies on this website want to support something worthwhile, here you go

Not rich but is there a way to contribute specifically to this project? The donate button on the website does not work.

I would have expected an online means to contribute specifically to Librephone, but indeed, seems like nothing yet. Hopefully it is forthcoming.

Otherwise, their website suggests you can specify a particular project via the memo line of a check:

https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#116
post #106

Ultimately, I don't think the most important challenge is in binary firmware blobs, but the software which people depend upon to run their lives. What does it matter if you can run a completely free software stack on your phone, if your bank software (or your required government ID, as is looking depressingly likely) requires you to run a Big Tech approved phone OS? Perhaps the FSF can't do much about that, but that…

There is one solution to this problem that many people reading this message can contribute to: Make sure your app has a progressive web app version that has feature parity with the store apps. That way, the app will work on phones like the librephone, and, if Apple or Google decide to kick you off the store, you and your users have some recourse. As a bonus, it’s compatible with open source — users can modify the app…

...and packaging my app as a PWA is going to help with cantankerous bank/ditigal-id apps, how, exactly?

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually "open" is a misnomer, maybe it was a decade ago but it's clear that Big G has an effective monopoly over browser(s), the web "standards", and is gradually making them more user-hostile.

It's still significantly more open than any other platform. Believe it or not, Mozilla is not asleep at the wheel, and neither is Apple.

Mozilla is absolutely asleep at the wheel (and have arguably already swerved off the road and hit a tree) and Apple aren't any better than Google in terms of wanting to lock down the web.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#119

Unfortunately, even if you could completely de-blob the kernel itself (and for many chipsets, that would require a considerable amount of reverse engineering work!), smartphones bear the Curse of the Modem. In a modern smartphone, modem is often a part of the SoC itself - and it runs some of the biggest and fattest blobs you've ever seen.

This is the big barrier here, and unfortunately, it is legally impossible to open source. In most countries, the spectrum that cell phone carriers use is licensed to the carrier, under the condition they only connect devices that are guaranteed to comply with the requirements of using that spectrum. The end user (i.e. the person with the phone) has no license to use the spectrum. So in order to get regulatory certifi…

theoretically, there is lte cbrs where spectrum not licensed.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

#120

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> The OS layer is where all previous Linux phone efforts have failed The OS layer is where the existing projects are thriving, with various distros and shells to choose from to match one's needs and tastes. It's the appropriate hardware that's in undersupply. I'm using a Librem 5, a 2019 design, and if I wanted to switch to something newer I can't because there's no viable upgrade path on the market. No other hardwar…

Does webrender work with the Librem 5? Last time I checked it didn't-- Firefox disallowed it because the etnaviv driver didn't have all the features available needed to enable it. It appears there's been a lot of work on etnaviv recently but I don't know if it affects this issue.

etnaviv doesn't do GLES3 yet, so no, but the work to support it (mostly done by Christian Gmeiner) is ongoing and progressing. I'm using Epiphany though, it's pretty snappy these days and I make extensive use of its webapp feature. I don't even remember when was the last time I had to fallback to Firefox because of some incompatibility, but it did happen at least once.
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