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Has Apple Peaked?

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Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Apple will never be able to match Google in Maps. Here's why: Apple does not have any technical depth. I am a former Apple employee. Apple can't do technically hard problems that require a multi-person effort. Yes, Apple can and has done good Hardware. But hardware is not technically hard - its an art. Apple is good at Art. Google is good at science.

That's just your opinion. I'm ex-Apple, and disagree.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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If I live in Manhattan and extensively use Maps for public transport info, is it true that feature no longer exists? If so, I'm going to wait before upgrading to iOS 6. Widespread blunder like this does so much to hurt the Apple brand especially in light of an ambitious competitor like Samsung. Apple should realize that even its biggest fan boys will begin rethinking if you cripple basic parts of their product repeat…

Yup, no more public transport info. Until Google releases their iOS Maps app (assuming they do), the best solution seems to be loading up maps.google.com in Safari instead.

I believe it is pending approval.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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About two years ago, I thought the iPod had peaked and couldn't go anywhere. Yet look at the new iPod Nano.

Indeed; just wait for the iPhone Nano. If only that had been this year's one more thing...

I don't know that anyone would buy an iPhone Nano. There is such a thing as just being too small. See HP/Palm Veer.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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I don't think apple has peaked but growth could be slowing. Like Google and Microsoft, there are many places where they can improve.

It looks like they rushed a few things. They are clearly under pressure from other competitors and they are sweating bullets trying to maintain an edge.

I think the worse positioned companies are the OEMs. Samsung, HTC, and Nokia do not control the software stack. Microsoft and Google are moving towards making their own hardware.

I think Samsung, HTC, and Nokia have peaked. Plain and simple.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. In general however I agree with your sentiment.

>While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. They have made the EXACT same arguments since after the iPod. The Zune was to kill it, cheap alternatives were going to kill it. Didn't…

Numbers can be manipulated as easily as opinions. Note the recurring statistic in which Apple's (continuously dropping) market share is compared to that of 15 handset manufacturers who run Android as though that is a reasonable comparison.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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The canonization of Steve Jobs as some sort of saint auteur is just freaking ridiculous.

Apple has made missteps in the past, while Steve Jobs was alive. That Jobs was not around for this particular misstep isn't particularly interesting or relevant. The disappearance of Google Maps is a consequence of the breakdown of relations between Google and Apple, and that is not about Steve Jobs.

Making it about him is just stupid. Google has power over Apple in this case, and Apple is bearing the heat for it, Steve Jobs or no.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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If I live in Manhattan and extensively use Maps for public transport info, is it true that feature no longer exists? If so, I'm going to wait before upgrading to iOS 6. Widespread blunder like this does so much to hurt the Apple brand especially in light of an ambitious competitor like Samsung. Apple should realize that even its biggest fan boys will begin rethinking if you cripple basic parts of their product repeat…

I think Apple's position for iOS 6 is that they want third party developers to build the transit apps for wherever there's a need rather than trying to build in-house centrally managed support for the entire world. The new maps app will actually find an appropriate transit app for the requested destination installed or in the app store to hand you off to. For example here's one for NYC:

http://thetransitapp.com

What this means is that for the next month or two coverage is going to be poor but getting towards mid next year they'll probably have better transit capability than Google. For example what I'd like to see is support for routing in my area using the real-time arrival data (our buses are frequently late), correct fare calculations, and balance info for my transit card. Google is unlikely to do any of this stuff but now someone who cares can go solve it. I think Apple pretty much botched the launch but in the not very long term it'll work out fine.

Myself? I'm holding off upgrading until a point release :)

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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While the maps might not be up to Google's in quality, especially in regard to public transportation, turn by turn navigation is a huge upgrade that wasn't available in Google Maps for iPhone users.

The title/article comes off as mostly click-bait journalism.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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If I live in Manhattan and extensively use Maps for public transport info, is it true that feature no longer exists? If so, I'm going to wait before upgrading to iOS 6. Widespread blunder like this does so much to hurt the Apple brand especially in light of an ambitious competitor like Samsung. Apple should realize that even its biggest fan boys will begin rethinking if you cripple basic parts of their product repeat…

I also live in Manhattan. The new Maps app integrates pretty well with Embark NYC (free), and possibly other transit apps that repackage the MTA's info.

Embark's website: http://letsembark.com/

App Store link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app//id450991137?mt=8

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. In general however I agree with your sentiment.

>While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. They have made the EXACT same arguments since after the iPod. The Zune was to kill it, cheap alternatives were going to kill it. Didn't…

The part of the iPhone 5 presentation that made me think was when they emphasised how big headphone manufacturer they are. I remember similar boasting from Nokia (the biggest camera manufacturer at the time) around 2008. We know what happened next...
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