Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encryption is basically free as far as I know, but it is more complex and it must be hard to get software updates up there.
It is almost free on modern CPUs that have hardware acceleration, yea
Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
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Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#32I see no issue with the satellite backhaul itself being unencrypted; anyone using the satellite provider should assume they're hostile and encrypt+authenticate everything they send anyway. I don't trust my ISP's fiber to be snoop-resistant just because they nominally have some shitty ONT encryption. Obviously the specific examples of end-users failing to encrypt are bad, but that's not really a problem with the satel…
I'd blame the airline or their ISP provider for sending unencrypted traffic through the air like this. Not the satellite, but its top level customer. There's a big difference, IMHO, between your ISP being able to sniff your fiber traffic, and your traffic being observable from ~30% of the globe.
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#33> remarkably, nearly all the end-user consumer Internet browsing and app traffic we observed used TLS or QUIC There was a surprising amount of resistance to the push to enable TLS everywhere on the public Internet. I'm glad it was ultimately successful.
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#34- T-Mobile backhaul: Users' SMS, voice call contents and internet traffic content in plain text.
- AT&T Mexico cellular backhaul: Raw user internet traffic
- TelMex VOIP on satellite backhaul: Plaintext voice calls
- U.S. military: SIP traffic exposing ship names
- Mexico government and military: Unencrypted intra-government traffic
- Walmart Mexico: Unencrypted corporate emails, plaintext credentials to inventory management systems, inventory records transferred and updated using FTP
This is insane!
While it is important to work on futuristic threats such as Quantum cryptanalysis, backdoors in standardized cryptographic protocols, etc. - the unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of real-world attacks happen because basic protection is not enabled. Good reminder not take our eyes off the basics.
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#35I'm going to dust off the TBS DVB-S2X card and try to find a data transponder to test the DontLookup app. https://github.com/ucsdsysnet/dontlookup
Where I live, it's almost impossible to find any interest in FTA or pirated SAT TV.
att: ham radio operator interested in satellite radio :D
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#36Some of the stuff that was extracted from the unencrypted traffic in the link: - T-Mobile backhaul: Users' SMS, voice call contents and internet traffic content in plain text. - AT&T Mexico cellular backhaul: Raw user internet traffic - TelMex VOIP on satellite backhaul: Plaintext voice calls - U.S. military: SIP traffic exposing ship names - Mexico government and military: Unencrypted intra-government traffic - Walm…
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#37> remarkably, nearly all the end-user consumer Internet browsing and app traffic we observed used TLS or QUIC There was a surprising amount of resistance to the push to enable TLS everywhere on the public Internet. I'm glad it was ultimately successful.
It was only successful because Google said you'd rank higher if you did it.
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#38Section 6.3.2 is an eye-opener... good lord... Gets even worse at 6.4.2-3
It's absolutely jaw-dropping. Either no-one at these companies was capable of understanding the problem, or no-one cared enough to do something about it.
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encryption is basically free as far as I know, but it is more complex and it must be hard to get software updates up there.
It is almost free on modern CPUs that have hardware acceleration, yea
Re: Don’t Look Up: Sensitive internal links in the clear on GEO satellites [pdf]
#40Had a vendor offer a customer of mine a huge discount if they purchased radios without the encryption license in the year of our lord 2024. Not even WPA or WEP. Just clear across the sky. And this is terrestrial. My bet is that in space there would be a noticable increase in heat/energy if they did encryption by default. But its still incredible to see them pretend like space is impossible to get to, ultimate obscuri…
Likely no consequences to the decision-makers for data exfiltration or other shenanigans happening, so there's nothing motivating a behavior change. The reason security is so bad everywhere is that nobody gets fired when there's a breach. It's just blamed on the hackers and everyone just goes on with life singing "We take security very seriously--this happened because of someone else!"
At least here in the EU we're moving toward personal responsibility for C level's who don't take IT and OT security serious in critical sectors, but in my anecdotal experience that is the first time anything regarding security has actually made decision makers take it serious. A lot of it is still just bureaucracy though. We have a DORA and NIS2 compliant piece of OT that is technically completely insecure but is compliant because we've written a detailed plan on how to make it secure.