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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by binarymax »

vachina wrote: post #235
chrisco255 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In principle I'm against outsourcing or technology transfers to China, but please do it on you own schedule. In principle, the tit for tat policy with China should have been initiated 15 years ago. China has restricted its own markets in similar ways since at least that far back, and it was clear then, when they banned Google in 2010, that they were not playing by the same playbook as we were. The U.S. doesn't cont…

Ukraine-Russian conflict is a result of US instigation. Totally their responsibility.

The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is the result of Russian instigation.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by maximus_01 »

throttlebody wrote: post #248
maximus_01 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really disagreeing with you as it's not like there is a 100% true definition of a free market, different people can have different conceptions, but the original Adam Smith / classical view is that a free market should essentially be 100% driven by the private market on supply and demand - with as little government intervention as possible on either side of the ledger (subsidy or blocking)

Monopoly is a free market game and thete is only one winner. Free markets as such is an utopia dream.

Except it isn't at all. The properties to buy all have a fixed price, costs of houses/hotels are fixed, rents are fixed and can't be adjusted, and most importantly, a) you can only buy a property if you randomly happen to land on it and b) people have no choice of what property to stay at (again, chosen by random dice)

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by lmm »

shtzvhdx wrote: post #188
like_any_other wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about them? The claim, or rather implication, was that Western powers would never allow equivalent protectionist policies, such as preventing the export of key industries and skills, to be enacted by other countries. Yet such protectionism is routine in China (and many other Asian countries), and "whole hell" did not break loose. A few more than half century old examples don't change what we can all see is the c…

The British, French and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez. They only backed up when the US told the Brits and France they would tank their economies still on US life support. And, pray, why did the Machado win the hypocrisy prize on Friday? Why are American ships outside the waters of Venezuela?

> The British, French and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez.

> They only backed up when the US told the Brits and France they would tank their economies still on US life support.

But they did back off. The US was willing to stand up for Egyptian sovereignty even against their own allies. That isn't an example of non-western countries being unable to enact protectionist policies, it's an example of the opposite.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by filloooo »

chrisco255 wrote: post #197
h45gJaqk wrote: post #74

The timing is weird, just after Trump's latest escalation with China. Using The Netherlands to fall into the sword would fit with the general tactics of dumping the Ukraine war on the EU and trying to sour their relations with China. That way, the U.S. is free to control all oil resources in the Middle East and conquer new ones in Venezuela. The EU gets nothing but enemies and higher oil and gas prices. In principle…

> In principle I'm against outsourcing or technology transfers to China, but please do it on you own schedule. In principle, the tit for tat policy with China should have been initiated 15 years ago. China has restricted its own markets in similar ways since at least that far back, and it was clear then, when they banned Google in 2010, that they were not playing by the same playbook as we were. The U.S. doesn't cont…

People like to play the victims, nobody else wanted to buy these unattractive companies back then, but once these companies are turned around or eventually fail, suddenly they are of national importance, we were ripped off.

The Google Facebook examples probably would hold better if the US hadn't axed TikTok, also, Google isn't banned in China, they refused to comply with censorship regulations and left themselves.

Rules only apply when the people that set the rules win, maybe China is to be blamed for seeing through this cruel world earlier.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by filloooo »

constantcrying wrote: post #39

Great. Absolutely outstanding from the Dutch government, to not let China dominate Europe however it wants. Securing a Chip industry independent from China, Taiwan and the US has to be the top long term security interest. I only hope that the EU can use it's power to make things like this more feasible and to keep Europe independent from US/Chinese interests.

Hope you would be as excited when other countries start to follow the lead.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

satvikpendem wrote: post #244
like_any_other wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the irony is that when a non-European entity were to do something like this, e.g. nationalize their oil or mining etc. industry or a firm, the whole hell would brake loose. As far as I understand, Samsung, TSMC, and SMIC are all closely guarded by their respective governments. And China doesn't (didn't?) allow foreign companies to operate in China without a local partner at all. So I don't see the irony - every…

> And China doesn't (didn't?) allow foreign companies to operate in China without a local partner at all Tesla was the first to buck this trend.

Just for cars. Microsoft has been independent in China since the late 90s, although they had to find a partner to do Azure.

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

throwaway091 wrote: post #241

Expect more of this to come, it's an unstated goal of the Chinese Communist Party to deindustrialize the West, the UK had to intervene too a few months ago to stop them from destroying their steel producing capacity.

The west is doing a fine job at deindustrializing all by itself.

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Post by trhway »

D-Coder wrote: post #242
trhway wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wondered how the large unified world of Roman Empire with running water and sewer fell apart (and backwards) into multitude of small feudal pieces with no technology to speak of for the 1000 years after Roman Empire. I think our modern civilization is probably at the beginning of similar process.

_Washington Post_ just had an article about why ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/10/12/america-r... ). "In 1984, a German historian compiled 210 explanations historians had suggested for Rome’s fall, from lead poisoning and barbarian invasions to Christianity, moral decline and gout. After studying dynamic civilizations such as Athens, Rome, Abbasid Baghdad, Song China, Renaissance Italy and the Dutch R…

And i have my own ideas why it fell :) My point though ins't about pure why. It is about why it went into such feudal fractal mode.

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Post by 55873445216111 »

motoboi wrote: post #246
dhx wrote: post #232

Europe's projected semiconductor manufacturing equipment expenditure from 2026-2028 is a rounding error. Global expenditure on 300mm fab equipment from 2026-2028 is predicted to be USD$374bn with regional breakdown as follows (totaling 100%): China - USD$95bn (25%) South Korea - USD$86bn (23%) Taiwan - USD$75bn (20%) Americas - USD$60bn (16%) Japan - USD$32bn (9%) Europe and Middle East - USD$14bn (4%) Southeast Asia…

yeah, but those machines are built in Europe. Most in Netherlands to be exact, but Holand too.

Netherlands AND Holland? Isn't that the same place?

Also: Even while ASML steppers are built in Netherlands, there are a lot of other non-photolithography tools needed to build a fab in addition to the ASML tools.

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Post by magicalhippo »

kaibee wrote: post #196
kapone wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. We don’t need to build refining capacity. We just need to remind China that who’s the big dog, which we seem to be doing. They’ll fall in line quickly enough.

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