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USA is nationalizng Intel and under this administration more of the commie shit is coming :)
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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#232Europe's projected semiconductor manufacturing equipment expenditure from 2026-2028 is a rounding error.
Global expenditure on 300mm fab equipment from 2026-2028 is predicted to be USD$374bn with regional breakdown as follows (totaling 100%):
China - USD$95bn (25%)
South Korea - USD$86bn (23%)
Taiwan - USD$75bn (20%)
Americas - USD$60bn (16%)
Japan - USD$32bn (9%)
Europe and Middle East - USD$14bn (4%)
Southeast Asia - USD$12bn (3%)
[1] https://www.semi.org/en/semi-press-release/semi-reports-glob...
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#23350 years of sending all the knowledge to China and now sudden realization that „data is the value”. Work was cheap, but we paid in IP and tech as a whole. It’s great to see how long term is China strategy and how well they execute it. Good luck for us all being „independent”. We can make processors out of attached plastic bottle caps…
It is funny that there are more people blaming China than the shareholders that made trillions of dollars.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But the irony is that when a non-European entity were to do something like this, e.g. nationalize their oil or mining etc. industry or a firm, the whole hell would brake loose. As far as I understand, Samsung, TSMC, and SMIC are all closely guarded by their respective governments. And China doesn't (didn't?) allow foreign companies to operate in China without a local partner at all. So I don't see the irony - every…
What about the suez canal or iranian oil fields
They are controlled by their respective governments, but realistically that power is limited, because they know that "Western" powers would wage war if necessary. So in reality there is a tacit understanding between corrupt local governments and foreign powers to keep access more or less free.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#235The timing is weird, just after Trump's latest escalation with China. Using The Netherlands to fall into the sword would fit with the general tactics of dumping the Ukraine war on the EU and trying to sour their relations with China. That way, the U.S. is free to control all oil resources in the Middle East and conquer new ones in Venezuela. The EU gets nothing but enemies and higher oil and gas prices. In principle…
> In principle I'm against outsourcing or technology transfers to China, but please do it on you own schedule. In principle, the tit for tat policy with China should have been initiated 15 years ago. China has restricted its own markets in similar ways since at least that far back, and it was clear then, when they banned Google in 2010, that they were not playing by the same playbook as we were. The U.S. doesn't cont…
Ukraine-Russian conflict is a result of US instigation. Totally their responsibility.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
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Either way, it cannot be stopped, China will develop independent technology sector because they can and they have no other choice. They don't trust the West and cases like this make such attitude understandable. As soon as China tries to compete with the rich monopolies, the "free market" goes out of the window and becomes "free to do as we tell you".
>As soon as China tries to compete with the rich monopolies, the "free market" goes out of the window and becomes "free to do as we tell you". When China cannot compete with incumbents those protections also go up and when they can now people like you appeal to free trade (while ignoring existing protections). You are being overly charitable to one side here. Which is it? Free trade or Protectionism?
Of course its protectionism for China, so they can bolster their own economy, but free trade for the US, so they can bleed us dry.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#237I don't understand why this suddenly happened (except if asked by the USG in response to the recent scare/reality over rare earths). The 50% ownership by a sanctioned entity was a reality for a while, and was an issue as soon as the purchase. This didn't change recently. So, this action should have been part of the pre-purchase review (CFIUS in the US...I assume there is an equivalent in China). On the face of it, th…
Negotiation leverage. Had they prevent the purchase in the first place, they won’t have anythings to negotiate now.
Probably the case. The Chinese probably knew about this too and willingly came forward.
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They would, they do and they did it. But we called them communists for doing so. ;)
communism is actually exactly the opposite of that. this is rutheless capitalism 101 from china vs religious left/right fights of the west boosted by not in my backyard individualism. West lived for too long for too good, to start believe that they can do whatever, and live good.
Good times (60's economy) create weak men (boomers). Weak men create hard times (offshoring everything to china)
Time to see if hard times will make strong men.
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I’m not hearing an argument, and I won’t be thinking one up for you. Seems like only a difference of degree to me.
I'm not here to debate whether free markets are good or bad, but governments have a privileged position versus private companies, and effectively operate above the law (again at least compared to private companies). Any government intervention takes us away from a free market, either a little bit or a lot, depending on the action. Apple is a private company. Anything it does is really part of the free market, at leas…
We’re talking about China subsidizing goods that it sells in another country. This is bread and butter “free market” behavior. Literally every company in the world does this one way or another.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#240This excuse could be used by many countries to seize European companies controlling strategic national resources
And which firms in China are controlled by European entities?
I don't know what you are talking about
In China, most locally manufactured brands seem to vanish after roughly two decades — whether in clothing, food, daily necessities, automobiles, or electronics. Yet, global brands such as Coca-Cola, Nike, Adidas, P&G, Unilever, Colgate, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi (collectively known as “BBA” in China), and even Nokia, dominate the market;
Interestingly, many European companies were eventually overtaken by their American counterparts — Nokia for example.
We’re not even talking about computers and smartphones—when it comes to these sectors, the U.S. simply won’t allow anyone else to take the lead. The market is dominated almost entirely by just a few platforms: Windows, macOS, iOS, and Android.