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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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It's just capitalism

This has nothing to do with capitalism. This is pure government intervention in a global market where other competing governments (China) are extremely interventionist already. Capitalism != Free Market

Free market is for the times when you keep winning, once you start losing, it's time to protect national security (tm).

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

How can you say what the minerals were actually used for though is the question I always have in these types of situations. There are multiple uses of the minerals. Since I've now gotten a literal boat load of the minerals from you, I can use those minerals on other things which now frees up my personal source of minerals on the things you didn't want them used in. In the spirit of the agreement, I'm in full compliance all while achieving the thing you didn't want me to achieve. It's nothing but Pilate washing his hands

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Why is "against capitalism" == wrong? Maybe it's right because it's against capitalism.

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How do you know the person you are replying to is applying it selectively?

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

Probably not an awesome sign if multiple actors are invoking never-used laws that were created while WWII was still fresh on everyone's mind.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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I don't understand why this suddenly happened (except if asked by the USG in response to the recent scare/reality over rare earths).

The 50% ownership by a sanctioned entity was a reality for a while, and was an issue as soon as the purchase. This didn't change recently. So, this action should have been part of the pre-purchase review (CFIUS in the US...I assume there is an equivalent in China). On the face of it, this all could have been avoided by having a non-sanctioned entity (including another random Chinese company) own enough of the company to get sanctioned entity ownership below 50%.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

How can you say what the minerals were actually used for though is the question I always have in these types of situations. There are multiple uses of the minerals. Since I've now gotten a literal boat load of the minerals from you, I can use those minerals on other things which now frees up my personal source of minerals on the things you didn't want them used in. In the spirit of the agreement, I'm in full complian…

Are you tracking that harvesting REM is a nasty business with a lot of “don’t look” environmental impacts? As such, most countries don’t do it, or have an infrastructure for it.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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It's ok. It's fine when the EU does it. It's only wrong and against capitalism when others do it. Like protectionism.

I think its fine to have national and strategic interests. China isn't someone that you can just trust, they are exporting to Russia on the sly and therefore supporting war in Europe because it suits them.

> they are exporting to Russia on the sly

is it really on the sly though?

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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I think its fine to have national and strategic interests. China isn't someone that you can just trust, they are exporting to Russia on the sly and therefore supporting war in Europe because it suits them.

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Quite simple, really: our way of doing things is better, and therefore it's better when we do it.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Germany implemented something similar like this after China took over Kuka (industry leading robotics) and practically build an entire industry of robotics in China after that. And of course, the jobs disappeared from Germany.

Did they? As far as I know Kuka is still fully controlled by Midea.

The regulation was created after that
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