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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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This excuse could be used by many countries to seize European companies controlling strategic national resources

Let's be real here, a European company wouldn't even have been allowed to buy a Chinese company in China and have the level of control as in this case in the first place.

This is it pretty much, not sure why it took so long to come to this realization. Was it greed that caused a warp in rational and common sense?

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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It's ok. It's fine when the EU does it. It's only wrong and against capitalism when others do it. Like protectionism.

Why is "against capitalism" == wrong? Maybe it's right because it's against capitalism.

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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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It's ok. It's fine when the EU does it. It's only wrong and against capitalism when others do it. Like protectionism.

I think its fine to have national and strategic interests. China isn't someone that you can just trust, they are exporting to Russia on the sly and therefore supporting war in Europe because it suits them.

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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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It's just capitalism

This has nothing to do with capitalism. This is pure government intervention in a global market where other competing governments (China) are extremely interventionist already.

Capitalism != Free Market

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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This excuse could be used by many countries to seize European companies controlling strategic national resources

And which firms in China are controlled by European entities?

There are many companies which the Chinese government could target in retaliation. In China foreign companies are usually minority partners in some ventures with some Chinese company.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Maybe pressure from the US gov? As a negotiatingtactic vs China - remeber the moves against MotorSich in Ukraine some years back , where the deal was win-win for both but Washington put the kibosh on it and ultimately got destroyed by Russian offensive. Since the speed/urgency and unusual application of the law as you mention , mean extraodinary actions must have quite extraordinary causes. In any case still too many…

Believe it or not, but the dutch government has agency. It's not impossible for US pressure to be a factor, but I think it's more likely the management of the company was planning to move production to china or something like that. That'd (rightly!) spook the government into some quick action, especially given the political climate around Russia seemingly not being content with having their war confined to Ukraine. U…

The US has immense pressure on the dutch government, given their control over ASML . Its US big tech and semi design studios that determines who will need to buy EUV from ASML. Given ASML is not allowed to do business with China, Russia etc.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be real here, a European company wouldn't even have been allowed to buy a Chinese company in China and have the level of control as in this case in the first place.

This is it pretty much, not sure why it took so long to come to this realization. Was it greed that caused a warp in rational and common sense?

Just the religious belief that The Free Market will solve everything on its own and there should be no attempt to interfere with it.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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So what just happened logistically? I assume this is an entirely independent Chinese company without some Dutch sponsor or something. That conforms to local regulations. But now The Dutch government says "we have this new power over you" and that is that. With the consequence presumably being export control on dutch tech, banning from their market, etc? Or were there any more hooks planted that make it easier to forc…

> I assume this is an entirely independent Chinese company. It's worth noting that Nexperia is a spin-off of NXP (Dutch company) which itself is a spin-off of Philips' (Dutch company) semiconductor division. It's also worth noting that Nexperia's Chinese owners (Wingtech) are at least partially state controlled.

Perhaps also worth noting that ASML is also a spin-off of Philips.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Great. Absolutely outstanding from the Dutch government, to not let China dominate Europe however it wants.

Securing a Chip industry independent from China, Taiwan and the US has to be the top long term security interest. I only hope that the EU can use it's power to make things like this more feasible and to keep Europe independent from US/Chinese interests.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe pressure from the US gov? As a negotiatingtactic vs China - remeber the moves against MotorSich in Ukraine some years back , where the deal was win-win for both but Washington put the kibosh on it and ultimately got destroyed by Russian offensive. Since the speed/urgency and unusual application of the law as you mention , mean extraodinary actions must have quite extraordinary causes. In any case still too many…

Believe it or not, but the dutch government has agency. It's not impossible for US pressure to be a factor, but I think it's more likely the management of the company was planning to move production to china or something like that. That'd (rightly!) spook the government into some quick action, especially given the political climate around Russia seemingly not being content with having their war confined to Ukraine. U…

> Unfortunately we seem to be living in interesting times.

China played a remarkably smart game. We let it happen.

People have been telling us for twenty years that this would happen and nobody listened until it was almost too late.

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