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Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by clobber » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:36 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

The problem is that it has turned into more than a website now where people get denied jobs for not being a member (see my previous comment in this thread). This is wrong.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by psbp » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:39 AM UTC

clobber wrote: post #55

We're setting a really bad precedent for the future here and these sorts of things need to stop now. Unfortunately, people don't seem to want to fight this. Now we have people getting turned down for jobs because they DON'T have a facebook account[1]. What's next? 1. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/109ipi/no_faceboo...

Facebook is possibly the most dangerous social construct created. And no, it's not because privacy or information are too sacred to be utilized, but because personal identity is so easily perverted with market, institutional, societal interests.

It's not hard to imagine a near future, if not a present, in which a person's identity is entirely evaluated, shaped, and determined by a monolith such as facebook.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:39 AM UTC

clobber wrote: post #55

We're setting a really bad precedent for the future here and these sorts of things need to stop now. Unfortunately, people don't seem to want to fight this. Now we have people getting turned down for jobs because they DON'T have a facebook account[1]. What's next? 1. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/109ipi/no_faceboo...

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Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by clobber » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:40 AM UTC

Smudge wrote: post #59

clobber wrote: post #55

We're setting a really bad precedent for the future here and these sorts of things need to stop now. Unfortunately, people don't seem to want to fight this. Now we have people getting turned down for jobs because they DON'T have a facebook account[1]. What's next? 1. http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/109ipi/no_faceboo...

No social media presence? Clearly you are a psychopathic recluse unfit for normal work. We only want employees who do normal things, like obsessively refreshing a particular website all day long.

Haha I love it. This stuff really is disturbing though - society is getting worse as a result.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by VeejayRampay » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:41 AM UTC

Everyone has people they don't like and vice versa. People that know your real name. I suspect it wouldn't too hard to crowdsource "identification" to the audience of Facebook so that they can monetize their idiotic platform better.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by VeejayRampay » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 4:43 AM UTC

mkjones wrote: post #41

Hey folks - I work on the Site Integrity team at Facebook. We work to keep people safe from scams, spam, fake accounts, and having their account taken over. We're always looking for ways to better understand how people represent themselves online and improve the design of our service. We look at the results of this kind of experiment in aggregate - the responses doesn't have any impact on the user account or that of…

Right. You're absolutely NOT trying to put a name on everyone to make more money. Absolutely not. It's all for the users, as one would expect from such a pro-bono, for-the-greater-good company such as Facebook.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by psbp » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 5:07 AM UTC

prodigal_erik wrote: post #39

Smudge wrote: post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Now imagine a whole generation socializing under these artificial restrictions. Can you imagine how stifling being raised under an umbrella of constant surveillance by your peer group, family, future employers and advertisers would be to your personality and relationships? We're developing a society of sociopatic egotists.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 5:07 AM UTC

prodigal_erik wrote: post #39

Smudge wrote: post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

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Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by yuhong » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 5:07 AM UTC

prodigal_erik wrote: post #39

Smudge wrote: post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Personally as I said before I do not advocate real name policies, but I am for fixing such problems if possible. For example, the illusion that people are perfect is obsolete in this day and age.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by civilian » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 5:15 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

I'm a rational anarchist. Make all the laws (and policies) you want, and I'll follow the ones I like.