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Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by 0x445442 »

rawgabbit wrote: post #27
nxobject wrote: post #16

For context, this is the whole list of metrics measured by their Eye of Sauron tool, Viva Insights – it seems to be split between Outlook, Teams, Office, and Copilot data. The Outlook and Teams stuff seems to relate to time spent on their individual platforms, but the Copilot-by-app stuff is hilarious. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/viva/insights/advanced/ref... I look forward to the equivalent of a mouse jiggler.

Well Peter Thiel did refer to Bill Gates as the anti-christ.

And Peter Thiel is anagram for The Reptile.

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by CamperBob2 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #37
blibble wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nadella has guided valuations and stock targets that are simply unobtainable without this growth I read a couple of articles and he seems to have been completely suckered in by the damn thing from https://archive.is/oWbZB#selection-2387.572-2401.668 > Copilot consumes Nadella’s life outside the office as well. He likes podcasts, but instead of listening to them, he loads transcripts into the Copilot app on his iPho…

People have "satired" similar hypotheticals about Sam Altman [0], and we know it's happened with people like Blake lemoine. It makes me curious how much, if any, of the current LLM hype is simply coming from people who are dealing with the ELIZA effect. [0] https://medium.com/where-thought-bends/the-7-trillion-delusi...

How'd ELIZA do on the International Math Olympiad?

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by AlotOfReading »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #92
AlotOfReading wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have "satired" similar hypotheticals about Sam Altman [0], and we know it's happened with people like Blake lemoine. It makes me curious how much, if any, of the current LLM hype is simply coming from people who are dealing with the ELIZA effect. [0] https://medium.com/where-thought-bends/the-7-trillion-delusi...

How'd ELIZA do on the International Math Olympiad?

It's quite fortunate that the ELIZA effect isn't defined by IMO scores, isn't it?

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by small_scombrus »

rkagerer wrote: post #40
nxobject wrote: post #16

For context, this is the whole list of metrics measured by their Eye of Sauron tool, Viva Insights – it seems to be split between Outlook, Teams, Office, and Copilot data. The Outlook and Teams stuff seems to relate to time spent on their individual platforms, but the Copilot-by-app stuff is hilarious. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/viva/insights/advanced/ref... I look forward to the equivalent of a mouse jiggler.

There's a baked-in but flawed assumption those tools are good for productivity.

I think its the difference between outcome-based and KPI-based management.

One is a lot easier and requires a lot less thought and general understanding of one's own business

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by nosianu »

nosianu wrote: post #77
nxobject wrote: post #16

For context, this is the whole list of metrics measured by their Eye of Sauron tool, Viva Insights – it seems to be split between Outlook, Teams, Office, and Copilot data. The Outlook and Teams stuff seems to relate to time spent on their individual platforms, but the Copilot-by-app stuff is hilarious. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/viva/insights/advanced/ref... I look forward to the equivalent of a mouse jiggler.

The reason I have ignored all attempts from MS to get me to click on something Copilot related, or not click it away, is that I have no idea why I should click. I don't know what it will actually do for me. I'm using AI for some coding here and there, and I'm using it replacing certain kinds of questions I would previously have googled. So I'm certainly not against using AI at all. (We have a ChatGPT subscription.) B…

Added:

I just checked and it's Microsoft 365 Copilot: 28,10 € per user and month.

That is way, WAYYY too much. The MS 365 Business Standard licenses we usually buy are only 11,70 € per user and month, and they are for what we actually need (Email, Office, OneDrive, basic identity).

They want me to pay almost two and a half times as much again for optional add-on functionality at best???

Whatever Copilot offers, even if it's something super-great, in the end it is optional and not the core of what we want from Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by hulitu »

1718627440 wrote: post #76
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’re so desperate to make it work. > “A source that has seen materials related to sales has confirmed that, as of August 2025, Microsoft has around eight million active licensed users of Microsoft 365 Copilot, amounting to a 1.81% conversion rate across the 440 million Microsoft 365 subscribers.” Microsoft 365 Copilot's commercial failure - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45476045 - October 2025

8 million sold licenses doesn't sound like a failure to me. Why do people assume that the market for Office programs and LLM tools is the same or even comparable?

> Why do people assume that the market for Office programs and LLM tools is the same or even comparable?

People ? No, Microsoft

Re: Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot

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Post by CamperBob2 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #93
CamperBob2 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How'd ELIZA do on the International Math Olympiad?

It's quite fortunate that the ELIZA effect isn't defined by IMO scores, isn't it?

How is that point relevant? The ELIZA effect involves humans incorrectly attributing a simple computer program with intelligence. Meanwhile, a complex ML model that solves difficult problems it hasn't seen before is intelligent, whether you or I like it or not.

That part is no longer up for debate. The question is how useful and scalable this particular form of intelligence will turn out to be.

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