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What are imaginary numbers?

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Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Everyone should learn some of the tools of Geometric Algebra sometime in high school, and it would save a whole lot of confusion. http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf/OerstedMedalLecture.pdf

I wish I had more upvotes for this. Geometric Algebra is both simpler and more general than traditional complex geometry or vector calculus and for most students is a much more intuitive way to approach complex numbers.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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I am humbled by the clarity of this answer!

The problem with textbook for all levels (other than them being outrageously expensive) is that they contain many level of abstraction, or what one may call self-censure, presumably in order not to scare kids off. One level is the general consensus of how should a topic should be taught, another layer is the author's view of how it should be taught In practice there's the third layer, where the teacher presents them in a certain way. This results in a long chain of Simon Says where the final, safe stuff that's taught, for the benefit of the students, mind you, may become very detached from the reality and excitement of the topic. Unfortunately, students always sense this and they tune it out, leading to so many people not liking math, physics, signal processing, you name it.

The joy of access to a person who is infinitely (compared to you) knowledgeable in atopic and is willing to interface you on multiple levels and telling you as it is is enormous. Best known such example, of course, is Feynman but physics SE and some other boards come close.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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post #12

I am humbled by the clarity of this answer! The problem with textbook for all levels (other than them being outrageously expensive) is that they contain many level of abstraction, or what one may call self-censure, presumably in order not to scare kids off. One level is the general consensus of how should a topic should be taught, another layer is the author's view of how it should be taught In practice there's the t…

I agree 100% that textbooks have too many levels of abstraction added over time. There's a really interesting answer given on this exact same subject by Bill Gates at the Aspen Festival - check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqf3rvg742g

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Everyone should learn some of the tools of Geometric Algebra sometime in high school, and it would save a whole lot of confusion. http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf/OerstedMedalLecture.pdf

I like the linked paper a lot so far (still reading it) even though I disagree that everyone should learn this just so that physics majors and similar can avoid some amount of confusion.

Not just physics students. Anyone who has to deal with geometry should learn it. Anyone who would otherwise study trigonometry, linear algebra, vector calculus, complex analysis, projective geometry, &c. should learn it first. It’s a much better set of mathematical tools for understanding spatial relationships and transformations than the alternatives for many if not most purposes.

For anyone dealing with computer vision, graphics, or modeling type fields, I recommend the more recent book “Geometric Algebra for Computer Science”. http://www.geometricalgebra.net/

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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The title statement is meaningless. "Imaginary numbers" are not "multiply" by "90°". What does it even mean to "multiply" by an angle? Correct statement: "*i is equivalent to a 90° rotation in some contexts." Which is kind of obvious to anybody who has done some maths or physics at some point?

Trivially, this result is clearly obvious.

I swear the only time I ever heard trivial in a lecture was once I got into university. It's a whole new ball game; high school teachers wouldn't dare say trivial just in case they had someone who was behind.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Here is an even better discussion on the same topic, and the HN thread from last year: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2712575 One great conclusion from this approach is how intuitive it becomes to understand the square root of i . I always thought you'd need another dimension to describe that, and another dimension for the square root of that unit,…

One more question; what is the "i"th root of i? Please try to use the angle metaphor :)

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Why does (-1)*(-1)=(+1) ? It is arbitrary, and there really is no good reason. We could construct number lines that work differently, so that imaginary numbers never appear. Such alternative number lines would still allow us to solve the exact same physics and engineering problems. Sure, the computations would work differently, but the way we would measure and use the initial conditions in our equations would be different too. In the end, the predicted outcome would still be the same.

Imaginary numbers are an artifact of how our number line is constructed. We could construct alternative number lines where imaginary numbers do no exists. The computations involving such alternative number lines would be different, but the outcome would be the same.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Imaginary numbers are defined. Imaginary numbers are not rotations or anything else that I keep hearing. Those are all properties of the fact that we define an imaginary number to be z = a + bi, where a and b are real numbers, and i^2 = -1. That's it.

If someone asks what is an imaginary number the correct answer is "z = a+bi, where a and b are real numbers, and i^2 = -1".

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