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What are imaginary numbers?

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Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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The title statement is meaningless. "Imaginary numbers" are not "multiply" by "90°". What does it even mean to "multiply" by an angle?

Correct statement: "*i is equivalent to a 90° rotation in some contexts." Which is kind of obvious to anybody who has done some maths or physics at some point?

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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post #2

The title statement is meaningless. "Imaginary numbers" are not "multiply" by "90°". What does it even mean to "multiply" by an angle? Correct statement: "*i is equivalent to a 90° rotation in some contexts." Which is kind of obvious to anybody who has done some maths or physics at some point?

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Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Here is an even better discussion on the same topic, and the HN thread from last year: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2712575

One great conclusion from this approach is how intuitive it becomes to understand the square root of i. I always thought you'd need another dimension to describe that, and another dimension for the square root of that unit, and so on.

But think of i as a 90° rotation, so applying it twice (squaring it) results in 180° which is -1. Then √i is a 45° rotation so applying it twice results in 90° which is i. Sure enough, this works out. The unit vector at 45° is 0.5√2 + 0.5√2 * i. Follow the rules of complex arithmetic to square that and you do indeed get i.

A rotation of -135° applied twice gives the same result. Square the unit vector of -0.5√2 + -0.5√2 * i and you also get i. We've arrived back at the axiom that all numbers have two square roots of opposite signs.

Last question: What's the cube root of i? Easy: a 30° rotation. The 30° unit vector is 0.5√3 + 0.5i, and cubing that does indeed get you i.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Here is an even better discussion on the same topic, and the HN thread from last year: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2712575 One great conclusion from this approach is how intuitive it becomes to understand the square root of i . I always thought you'd need another dimension to describe that, and another dimension for the square root of that unit,…

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Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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post #2

The title statement is meaningless. "Imaginary numbers" are not "multiply" by "90°". What does it even mean to "multiply" by an angle? Correct statement: "*i is equivalent to a 90° rotation in some contexts." Which is kind of obvious to anybody who has done some maths or physics at some point?

Trivially, this result is clearly obvious.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Here is an even better discussion on the same topic, and the HN thread from last year: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2712575 One great conclusion from this approach is how intuitive it becomes to understand the square root of i . I always thought you'd need another dimension to describe that, and another dimension for the square root of that unit,…

> We've arrived back at the axiom that all numbers have two square roots of opposite signs.

While I like the geometric content of the rest of your post, I have to quibble on two points:

    * that a number has two (usually distinct) square roots is a theorem, not an axiom.  That is, it's not 'built in' (unlike, say, commutativity of addition), but rather can be proven on the basis of 'built-in' properties.

    * while one may technically say that i and -i have 'opposite signs', it's a good idea not to talk about the sign of a complex number at all (except possibly in the sense that sgn(z) = z/|z|).  It's better to say that the two square roots are opposite; or, if one wants to be more precise, that they are additive inverses.

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Here is an even better discussion on the same topic, and the HN thread from last year: http://betterexplained.com/articles/a-visual-intuitive-guide... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2712575 One great conclusion from this approach is how intuitive it becomes to understand the square root of i . I always thought you'd need another dimension to describe that, and another dimension for the square root of that unit,…

Thanks for posting that :). My gut-check about whether I've intuitively understood a topic is whether I can intuit new results. I'd wager 95% of people who "learned" imaginary numbers couldn't work out the cube root of i in their head like that (I was in this camp all through high school and college, which made me realize I didn't really get them).

Re: What are imaginary numbers?

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Everyone should learn some of the tools of Geometric Algebra sometime in high school, and it would save a whole lot of confusion. http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf/OerstedMedalLecture.pdf

I like the linked paper a lot so far (still reading it) even though I disagree that everyone should learn this just so that physics majors and similar can avoid some amount of confusion.
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