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Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by sacado2 »

feoren wrote: post #82
amelius wrote: post #27

I hope it doesn't get stuck at 3.14, like TeX. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditDayOf/comments/7we430/donald_...

You hope it doesn't ? > [Donald Knuth] firmly believes that having an unchanged system that will produce the same output now and in the future is more important than introducing new features This is such a breath of fresh air in a world where everything is considered obsolete after like 3 years. Our industry has a disease, an insatiable hunger for newness over completeness or correctness . There's no reason we can't…

> There's no reason we can't be writing code that lasts 100 years. Code is just math. Imagine having this attitude with math: "LOL loser you still use polynomials!? Weren't those invented like thousands of years ago? LOL dude get with the times, everyone uses Equately for their equations now. It was made by 3 interns at Facebook, so it's pretty much the new hotness." No, I don't think I will use "Equately", I think I'll stick to the tried-and-true idea that has been around for 3000 years.

Not sure this is the best example. Mathematical notation evolved a lot in the last thousand years. We're not using roman numerals anymore, and the invention of 0 or of the equal sign were incredible new features.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by philipallstar »

hackernewds wrote: post #193
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #186

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I didn't know that they have the new logo before reading your comment. Been 2 years since I last searched flask but yeah the old logo was vintage and I also preferred the old logo and the new logo feels mid/sucks. The old logo is much better.

Old logo is impossible to resize and present on any assets that aren't rectangular. Flask isn't a country podunk restaurant

> Old logo is impossible to resize and present on any assets that aren't rectangular. Flask isn't a country podunk restaurant

You're measuring it by irrelevant measures. This is like when all the terrible Western game devs criticised Elden Ring because it didn't have "good UX".

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Post by Quekid5 »

disentanglement wrote: post #285
kibwen wrote: post #185

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> There's no reason we can't be writing code that lasts 100 years. Code is just math. In theory, yes. In practice, no, because code is not just math, it's math written in a language with an implementation designed to target specific computing hardware, and computing hardware keeps changing. You could have the complete source code of software written 70 years ago, and at best you would need to write new code to emulat…

TeX is written in a literate programming style which is more akin to a math textbook than ordinary computer code, except with code blocks instead of equations. The actual programming language in the code blocks and the OS it runs on matters a lot less than in usual code where at best you get a few sparse comments. Avoiding bit rot in such a program is a very manageable task. In fact, iirc the code blocks which end up…

The C version of TeX is also terrible code in the modern day (arbitrary limits, horrible error handling, horrible macro language, no real Unicode support, etc. etc), hence LuaTeX (et al.) and Typst and such.

The backward-compat story is also oversold because, yes, baseline TeX is backward compatible, but I bet actual users. It certainly helps for LaTeX package maintainers, but that doesn't matter to users.

Don't get me wrong, TeX was absolutely revolutionary and has been used for an insane amount of scientific publishing, but... it's not great code (for modern requirements) by any stretch.

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Post by OutOfHere »

physicsguy wrote: post #397
ModernMech wrote: post #94

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I agree, I think that's probably the hope. It's interesting you bring up Julia here because I was just reading the post about the 1.12 release and this comment struck me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45524485 Particularly this part is relevent to the Python discussion: What is Julia's central conceit? It aims to solve "the two language" problem, i.e. the problem where prototyping or rapid development is done…

I think Julia has largely not solved it because it is clunky to use for purposes other than scientific computing. Python can't be argued to be that, it's very nice for web development as well as scientific computing, the issue is just that for non-scientific computing use cases the perf. isn't great.

If you think Python is nice for scientific computing, you must have never tried Matlab. Python is pretty clunky in comparison in its syntax for scientific computing.

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Post by latexr »

w-ll wrote: post #305
BreakingProd wrote: post #290

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I was unaware of the new logo… and I am just realizing for the first time after many many Flask apps… that the logo is not a chili pepper.

This logo is bad.. not even talking about the mark, the fonts are wtf. Uppercase 'F' shorter than the lower 'l' and 'k', the 'a' and the 'k' bad, even the lower bar on the 'f' angle is just... eww. And then the mark. I dont get any of this.

> the fonts are wtf. Uppercase 'F' shorter than the lower 'l' and 'k'

Just like in the old one. That is not strange in the slightest, it is a very common feature of typefaces that the ascenders of lower case letters overshoot the height of uppercase. That is one of the ways to distinguish an uppercase i from a lower case L.

> And then the mark. I dont get any of this.

They look to be following the Material Design logo trend that was in fashion a while ago. Following trends in logo design is never a good idea, it makes them look outdated soon.

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Post by zestyping »

wiseowise wrote: post #134
nadermx wrote: post #10

Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…

> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...

Goodness gracious, that font in the new logo is the most hideous font I've seen in a very long time.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by physicsguy »

OutOfHere wrote: post #414
physicsguy wrote: post #397

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I think Julia has largely not solved it because it is clunky to use for purposes other than scientific computing. Python can't be argued to be that, it's very nice for web development as well as scientific computing, the issue is just that for non-scientific computing use cases the perf. isn't great.

If you think Python is nice for scientific computing, you must have never tried Matlab. Python is pretty clunky in comparison in its syntax for scientific computing.

I used MATLAB for about 5 years, and then Mathematica, before switching to Python. I even had a job offer to work at MathWorks in Cambridge in about 2014!
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