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Not Pijthon?
I feel like I’m having a stroke.
You should hear the Dutch say "yah-vah-shchkript" with a throat clear and spit take.
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Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#182Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…
> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...
Oh God, that's not it.
The old logo is classic and bespoke. I could recall it from memory. It's impressionable.
The new one looks like an unfunded 2005-era dorm room startup. XmlHttpRequests for sheep herders.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
And 300ms for a DB call is slow, in any case. We really shouldn't accept that as normal cost of doing business. 300ms is only acceptable if we are doing scrypt type of things.
> in any case. In some cases. Are looking up a single indexed row in a small K-V table? Yep, slow. Are you generating reports on the last 6 years of sales, grouped by division within larger companies? That might be pretty fast. I'm not sure why you'd even generalize that so overly broadly.
To put in perspective, 300ms is about looping over 30GiB data from RAM, loading 800MiB data from SSD, or doing 1TFLOPS on a single core computer.
300ms to generate a report would be able to go through ~100M rows at least (on a single core).
And the implicit assumption that comment I made earlier, of course is not about the 100M rows scan. If there is a confusion, I am sorry.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#184Do any of these tests measure the new experimental tail call interpreter (https://docs.python.org/3.14/using/configure.html#cmdoption-...)?
I couldn't find any note of it, so I would assume not.
It would be interesting to see how the tail call interpreter compares to the other variants.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#185I hope it doesn't get stuck at 3.14, like TeX. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditDayOf/comments/7we430/donald_...
You hope it doesn't ? > [Donald Knuth] firmly believes that having an unchanged system that will produce the same output now and in the future is more important than introducing new features This is such a breath of fresh air in a world where everything is considered obsolete after like 3 years. Our industry has a disease, an insatiable hunger for newness over completeness or correctness . There's no reason we can't…
> There's no reason we can't be writing code that lasts 100 years. Code is just math.
In theory, yes. In practice, no, because code is not just math, it's math written in a language with an implementation designed to target specific computing hardware, and computing hardware keeps changing. You could have the complete source code of software written 70 years ago, and at best you would need to write new code to emulate the hardware, and at worst you're SOL.
Software will only stop rotting when hardware stops changing, forever. Programs that refuse to update to take advantage of new hardware are killed by programs that do.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#186Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…
> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...
I didn't know that they have the new logo before reading your comment. Been 2 years since I last searched flask but yeah the old logo was vintage and I also preferred the old logo and the new logo feels mid/sucks.
The old logo is much better.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#187What are the reasons why nobody uses pypy?
I've never experienced any problems that could be attributed to the speed of my Python runtime. I use Python a lot for internal scripting and devops work, but never in a production environment that scaled beyond a few hundred users. I suspect most Python usecases are like that, and CPython is just the safest option.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#188What are the reasons why nobody uses pypy?
Can't run PyTorch on PyPy.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#189Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…
You have made my day, sir. :)
Whoa! You're here! Well, I think a lot of us owes you a debt of gratitude. Thank you for all you've done for the Python and Flask community.
Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...
Oh God, that's not it. The old logo is classic and bespoke. I could recall it from memory. It's impressionable. The new one looks like an unfunded 2005-era dorm room startup. XmlHttpRequests for sheep herders.
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