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Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by OutOfHere »

ModernMech wrote: post #58
OutOfHere wrote: post #24

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> most Python devs neither need nor care about perf. You do understand that's a different but equivalent way of saying, " If you care about performance, then Python is not the language for you. ", don't you?

Yes, I'm consistent in that. What I don't get is if that's the case, why is there such a focus on improving Python perf? At best they're getting marginal improvements on something that most Python devs claim they don't care about, and which they say is not important for Python as a language due to JIT, C interop, and so on.

I think perhaps their hope is that eventually Python can get to Go-level if not Rust-level performance if they keep up the optimizations. I do personally believe this to be possible. The motivating example is Julia, which is a high level language with low-level language's performance. After arriving there, developers will care.

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Post by feoren »

amelius wrote: post #27

I hope it doesn't get stuck at 3.14, like TeX. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditDayOf/comments/7we430/donald_...

You hope it doesn't?

> [Donald Knuth] firmly believes that having an unchanged system that will produce the same output now and in the future is more important than introducing new features

This is such a breath of fresh air in a world where everything is considered obsolete after like 3 years. Our industry has a disease, an insatiable hunger for newness over completeness or correctness.

There's no reason we can't be writing code that lasts 100 years. Code is just math. Imagine having this attitude with math: "LOL loser you still use polynomials!? Weren't those invented like thousands of years ago? LOL dude get with the times, everyone uses Equately for their equations now. It was made by 3 interns at Facebook, so it's pretty much the new hotness." No, I don't think I will use "Equately", I think I'll stick to the tried-and-true idea that has been around for 3000 years.

Forget new versions of everything all the time. The people who can write code that doesn't need to change might be the only people who are really contributing to this industry.

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Post by cat-whisperer »

Yeah honestly I don't really care about these benchmarks. Python isn't built for raw performance and that's totally fine! It's the number one choice for prototyping and can do so much, that's what actually matters. I think it's cool they're working on speed improvements though, means my prototype-to-production cycle gets a bit smoother lol.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by miguelgrinberg »

nadermx wrote: post #59
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #35

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Did you throw any money his way?

Didn't know he had a patreon, just set it up so the first 100 people, since that's the max it allowed, can get a 1 year access to his discord https://www.patreon.com/miguelgrinberg/redeem/f/C28EB241BB

Thank you so much!

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Post by gwking »

modeless wrote: post #38

What are the reasons why nobody uses pypy?

Speaking only for myself, and in all sincerity: every year, there is some feature of the latest CPython version that makes a bigger difference to my work than faster execution would. This year I am looking forward to template strings, zstd, and deferred evaluation of annotations.

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

modeless wrote: post #38

What are the reasons why nobody uses pypy?

Because it hasn't been blessed by the PSF. Plus it's always behind, so if you want to use the newest version of framework x, or package y then you're SOL.

Python libraries used to brag about being pure Python and backwards compatible, but during the push to get everyone on 3.x that went away, and I think it is a shame.

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