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A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by skinnymuch »

SilverElfin wrote: post #142
randycupertino wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two other recent examples: 1. The singer D4vd is sole mod of his fan subdeddit and deletes every post about the the dead body recently found in the trunk of his Tesla: https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/singer-d4vd-apparently-deleti... 2. Influencer Paige Lorenze is a mod of nycinfluencer snark and she prolifically deletes all unflattering threads and specifically all photos of her from before her numerous plastic surger…

Also happens on YouTube. Mr Beast’s team deleted all comments on his videos (of which there were thousands) that mentioned or linked to those videos exposing alleged fraud by the Mr Beast group.

That’s different. That’s your own video. Having control of your own video makes some sense. The Reddit stuff is not directly analogous.

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Post by michaelnovati »

4bpp wrote: post #167
analog8374 wrote: post #48

Forum dictator is a messed up thing. Why is everybody so ok with it? Is it Stockholm Syndrome?

Forum dictators who are on your side can seem like a pretty nice thing, and the forum dictator of the canonical subreddit gets to curate a community that is on his side by design while everyone else is left to scramble for themselves in the wilderness.

Well I don't own the sub, so you should talk to the actual forum dictator who does stay on top of things and I have to answer to.

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Post by lurk2 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #12
UltraSane wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit moderation is also completely broken. Mods can ban anyone for any reason and do ban people for very stupid reasons with absolutely no recourse. It is so bad I have completely stopped posting on Reddit.

Most online communities work that way. It’s highly unusual to have some sort of judicial process.

> It’s highly unusual to have some sort of judicial process.

Every forum I ever used prior to Reddit had a ban appeal process, as did most game servers. For a few games reading the ban appeals could be more fun than playing the actual game. This was usually moderators making executive decisions based on a user-submitted form, but it was better than nothing.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by AmazingTurtle »

michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

Even if codesmith _was_ objectively bad, I am still wondering _why_ do you spend _so much time_ shittalking that company on every fucking occasion? Reddit, HN, LinkedIn. You are putting way too much energy into that, way more than the average person would objectively care. Makes me wonder.

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Post by michaelnovati »

kjs3 wrote: post #150
pyuser583 wrote: post #64

What about the reverse of this, where the mods seem just a little to enthusiastic about one particular product?

Follow the money.

Agreed, try to figure out how I benefit in any way from Codesmith's decline. Not theoretical, but hard facts. I know of THREE people that considered going to Codesmith and went to Formation instead. One of them I tried very hard to convince to go to Codesmith and she instead got a job on her own and then came to Formation.

All of this for three customers? It doesn't add up and there are some missing pieces in the story.

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Post by argomo »

nubinetwork wrote: post #187
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #3

Reddit should not be considered an authoritative source. Period. At this point it's the most astroturfed place on the internet. Accounts are bought and sold like cheap commodities. It's inherently unreliable. That said, in this instance Codesmith actually has an unusually strong defamation case. That Reddit mod is not anonymous, and has made solid claims (about nepotism with fabricated details, accusations of resume…

> Reddit should not be considered an authoritative source. Period. I cringe inside every time I search for something, and the first autocomplete is "mysearchterm reddit"

These days, all the results that AREN'T from reddit are AI slop.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by BrenBarn »

It seems clear that this dude is engaged in a vendetta, but I feel like a larger issue lurking in the background is the whole swirling mist of Google, Reddit, and mod policies.

In the first place it's troubling that Google ever had so much power, and that AI search tools do now. The idea that a business can succeed or fail based on what appears on the first screen when someone types your business name into a little box is insane. It's just another indication to me that these large gatekeepers need to be shattered, simply in order to create more independent avenues of potential research.

In the second place, the centralization of forum-like content under Reddit likewise gives Reddit undue influence. There's a lot of good stuff on Reddit but it would be better for all that good stuff to be on a lot of separate sites.

And then there's the question of Reddit mod policies. The policy cited in the article falls into the same trap we see with laws on political corruption and the like. It says what you can not do, and narrowly circumscribes it in terms of "exchange" for "compensation", which focuses only on direct quid pro quo kinds of abuse of power. I think we should push for a much greater level of integrity, more like: "In your moderation, you must put the impartial furtherance of the good of the community ahead of your personal interests." I think there would be very little doubt that this moderator's actions fall afoul of such a policy.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

petesergeant wrote: post #144
irjustin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's also the most reliable place to get a general crowd-sourced opinion on the internet. There are specialist forums for specialist subjects, sure, but nowhere else delivers like Reddit does on a diverse set of topics. That's some impressive blindness. That's exactly why the OP is stating it's unreliable. It _was_ reliable. Now it's a minefield, because trust->money. Just like Amazon 5 star reviews. They used to b…

So you’re going to be able to tell me what _is_ the most reliable place to get a general crowd-sourced opinion then?

I don't think there is one. Prediction Markets are probably the closest and even those have problems. But at least incentives in a prediction market aim for the truth rather than an entertaining experience.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by thisisit »

michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

> Numerous other bootcamps have shut down. Codesmith's decline is predominantly an industry problem.

In that case can you share the user stats for the sub? Because if coding boot camp as an industry is dying the growth of the sub should have also slowed down or plateaued, right?

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