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3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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But you can filter out PFAS from water...

you can filter anything out of water...you're just arguing end users should bare the cost of billion dollar corporations doing whatever they want. The filtration at the levels we're talking about would add thousands of dollars to every household everywhere, all at once. Talk about something that just is a bit more than, "but you can filter it".

Not saying it's a good approach to solving the problem, but surely you'd want to do the filtering at the water utility level. It would be a lot more cost effective that way.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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I don't think most people understand that the damage from PFAS is generational and cumulative. You can isolate zebrafish, expose the first generation, and you'll see abnormalities generations later even those those fish were never exposed. That is their legacy - it's civilization-level harm.

I've been struggling to understand why people care more about Gaza, Ukraine, BLM, or trans bathrooms than issues like PFAS proliferation and ultimately came to the conclusion that people really just don't care about hypothetical future generations as much as the present. You can point and say "look, this action doesn't affect you much and just makes a 0.01% difference, but it will effect 100,000 future generations of…

It's disheartening if you do care about long-term issues, but perhaps these are all long-term issues.

In a way, I think people tend to fight for causes they are exposed to and think their voices are on the right side of History. I'm appalled that Belgians are out protesting for Gaza (which is also important) but don't care one iota for what 3M did to half the ground water of the country — and how Belgian politicians and the EPP looked the other way. We're being slowly poisoned over here, but it's the war over there, you have nothing to do with, that matters the most. Right.

We are facing the dismantling of social protections, climate change, corrupt governments, and so on, perhaps people pick the one issue that feels remote enough yet meaningful to fight for.

But someone has to care about Gaza as well, I suppose. It would be far more useful to their lives if people fought for local causes.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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I don't think most people understand that the damage from PFAS is generational and cumulative. You can isolate zebrafish, expose the first generation, and you'll see abnormalities generations later even those those fish were never exposed. That is their legacy - it's civilization-level harm.

I've been struggling to understand why people care more about Gaza, Ukraine, BLM, or trans bathrooms than issues like PFAS proliferation and ultimately came to the conclusion that people really just don't care about hypothetical future generations as much as the present. You can point and say "look, this action doesn't affect you much and just makes a 0.01% difference, but it will effect 100,000 future generations of…

If someone isn't aware of the dangers of something that's not the same as not caring.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been struggling to understand why people care more about Gaza, Ukraine, BLM, or trans bathrooms than issues like PFAS proliferation and ultimately came to the conclusion that people really just don't care about hypothetical future generations as much as the present. You can point and say "look, this action doesn't affect you much and just makes a 0.01% difference, but it will effect 100,000 future generations of…

It's disheartening if you do care about long-term issues, but perhaps these are all long-term issues. In a way, I think people tend to fight for causes they are exposed to and think their voices are on the right side of History. I'm appalled that Belgians are out protesting for Gaza (which is also important) but don't care one iota for what 3M did to half the ground water of the country — and how Belgian politicians…

>I'm appalled that Belgians are out protesting for Gaza (which is also important) but don't care one iota for what 3M did

How could possibly determine this? Obviously no one has clearly stated this so I'm assuming it's due to lack of protest.

What it people aren't aware of the situation or its dangers?

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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It's possible to care about more than one thing at a time.

I could be wrong but I think the parent comment's point isn't that no one cares, but that the scale of the issue—today and spanning far into the future—isn't presently regarded by people in a proportional manner. So, people care, but not as much as it seems like they should. The parent also used the phrase "care more "; they aren't saying people don't care at all, so they acknowledge that people can care about more t…

How can you measure caring?

For example I care more about Ukraine than what my boss at work does to annoy me but I talk about the latter more.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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post #82

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Veritasium seems to be frequently wrong or at least incomplete. I empathise, it’s hard to make definitive statements like that, but maybe at some point it’s better not to if you’re not sure and more about entertainment than anything else.

That’s a bold statement to make that “Veritasium seems to be frequently wrong”. Can you list some of these many wrong statements that they make?

Why leave off “or incomplete” when people can see it directly above what you misquoted? But sure, plenty of examples here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38779199. You can search on Google for Veritasium wrong (or misleading, incomplete, etc.) if you’d like more examples.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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I wonder if the manufacture and subsequent planet-wide spread of novel chemicals before their impact on life is fully understood is a great filter...

We've had plastics for, essentially, 100 years. PFAs for a bit less than that. We still don't understand their full impact on the body/life.

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

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if LLCs didn't exist, clearly the stock market would operate differently would Enron have been Enron if it wasn't an LLC?

Enron (like all publicly traded US companies) was a C-Corp, but that's a technicality.

a c-corp is an llc

Re: 3M May Escape Toxic Chemical, PFAS Manufacturing Legacy

#110
I would encourage every single person reading this to have your water tested for PFAs.

Several years ago now an executive friend at WLGore, yes the very place that created it, gave me some information in passing. It was the kind of information in hearing from one someone you know that makes one pause for a moment in hearing it but then when one considers time against the statement it became less alarming in that moment. Now years of time have passed since that conversation occurred and the statements have manifested into reality.

I live literally down stream from WLGore and they have been dumping the toxins in the waterway for decades. Our local jurisdictions have been talking on PFAs for a few years now and in January of this year my time was up on my friends statement made years prior. I spent months doing research and in April I had our water tested. The EPA recommends 4 part per trillion is "safe" but in reality my conversation with medical professionals state NO amount of consumption is safe. My water test came back at 70 parts per trillion and I immediately purchased the special filtering needed to remove PFAs and installed it on our existing water filtering within days. I have also bought a whole house PFA filter that I intend to install in the coming weeks yet our water we drink, cook, and make ice with has been clean for months now as the post drinking system PFA filter test reflected No matter your wealth no one can purchase time, the only way to obtain more time is with your health.

Test your water because what you cannot see matters most!

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