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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Lots of language is being destroyed in real time. Its pretty common to see the following: Corruption = Political things I dont like. Money Laundering = Money things I dont like.

Who likes corruption? Who likes money laundering? Meanwhile, do you have a case that this /isn't/ corruption, and that money laundering /isn't/ involved? Or is this just a general complaint about word selection?

Why would I have to prove a negative?

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There is no such thing as rights or a constitution in Canada. The government can waive them away with a “notwithstanding” clause and then they can do what they like.

Thank god for the notwithstanding clause or we wouldn’t live in a democracy but instead rule by unelected judges.

The notwithstanding clause is about ensuring Parliament remains supreme.

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The Globe and Mail is a reputable and respectable publication but The National Post is an American-owned right wing propaganda paper. I won't apologize for calling them as I see them.

The G&M is a left-wing propaganda paper. What's your point?

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Can someone please characterize the likely political and cultural atmosphere of Canada for the next decade? If the US continues its current trajectory for a couple more years, will Canada be a welcoming beacon of goodness? (Obligatory great scene in Handmaid's Tale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJEjrNB2iTA&t=40s )

This kind of question could easily set off a flamewar filled with nationalistic and ideological rage. Let's not do this here.

True, but it's an honest question. I'd actually like to know the answer.

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Can someone please characterize the likely political and cultural atmosphere of Canada for the next decade? If the US continues its current trajectory for a couple more years, will Canada be a welcoming beacon of goodness? (Obligatory great scene in Handmaid's Tale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJEjrNB2iTA&t=40s )

Hard to say without being a prophet. There's a non-zero chance we follow Trump/MAGA, but I would say its unlikely. My impression is that politically and culturally we have been becoming less welcoming to less well off immigrants. Since the motivation for this feels largely economic (and thoroughly pushed by foreign media and online trolls), economic hardship from losing the US trading relationship is likely to make i…

Thank you. That's interesting about US media influence. Here's hoping that we all do well, and the current craziness calms down.

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I support prohibiting people from accessing the internet IF they're proven to be dangerous to others if they access the internet. But this applies to any public space or commons, internet or otherwise, and we already have the means of accomplishing this... With a due process. Why would it makes sense to remove that process, while introducing an incredible opaque decision-making process in its place, which totally bar…

> IF they're proven to be dangerous to others

You are literally part of the problem. "Dangerous to others" is a meaningless phrase that can be twisted to mean anything you want.

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At best you could compare them to fox news, but they don't compare favourably even to that. They are admittedly maybe not quite as bad as Breitbart but it's close enough in my opinion.

What is a more respected conservative publication in Canada?

There is none, it's the most respected/widely read conservative publication. Calling Rebel News the Breitbart equivalent is more fair.

CBC is definitely left wing[1], with a bias towards the liberal party (centre-left). Globe and Mail is centrist[0].

https://ground.news/interest/the-globe-and-mail

https://ground.news/interest/cbc-news

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We live in very confusing times. Democratic countries start acting more and more like big brother. Its also concerning to read the quote: “necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation.” Where Canadian telecommunication is almost a duopoly and had major outage a few years ago without any claims of bad act…

It always starts with the left, not the right. Read "The True Believer". It's not the poor folk that start a revolution. They are too busy trying to survive to do anything else. No, it's the idle bourgeois. They are the most unhappy as what they seek is just out of their reach.

A few fascist movements sprang out of leftist movements, or had some small overlap in rhetoric with the left, but by and large the most repressive Western governments have come firmly if not exclusively from the right.

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in America whereas in places like China, it very much exists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Having lived in China since 2008 with a Chinese wife, I can confidently say the "social credit score" system often portrayed in the West is a myth and Western propaganda. What actually exists are standard financial credit scores, similar to those in the US or Europe, used for things like bank loans and mortgages.

I’ve started to read that exact Wikipedia page just two days ago, and its second paragraph contradicts you and itself. It was written by somebody who consumes a lot of Chinese propaganda. The first sentence tells, that it was never that bad as written in Western media, then the rest of the paragraph tells that the Chinese government didn’t like that it was that bad. The cited sources are the exact same thing: Western media lied about that it’s that bad, but the Chinese government was right when it said that it had been really that bad.

It’s completely orthogonal that the government didn’t want to be that bad, that they changed it, or that they ditched the plans to implement nationwide in its (according to the government) bad form at the time.

I cannot understand how Chinese news consumers cannot see this. The doublespeak is so obvious, that I cannot think of anything else, that it’s just propaganda.

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The current “workaround” to the 4th amendment is to simply have private companies who do surveillance and then buy bulk data from them. ICE does this with location data from mobile apps. They simply buy from a private vendor the information about where specific people are. Then they go detain them. Some real life friends of mine are on a work crew with some migrants. ICE pulled their truck over, asked the migrants to…

If you are an illegal immigrat how do you even get a mobile phone contract though? In every country I know a valid ID is required to get one.

What's the connection between being an illegal immigrant and having a valid ID?

In my experience as a traveller, any ID from any country is good enough to get a mobile contract. Some countries might check VISA status too, but any valid temporary VISA is generally enough.

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