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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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The Globe and Mail is a reputable and respectable publication but The National Post is an American-owned right wing propaganda paper. I won't apologize for calling them as I see them.

Both The Globe and Mail and The National Post serve the Capital, regardless of its provenance.

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We live in very confusing times. Democratic countries start acting more and more like big brother. Its also concerning to read the quote: “necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation.” Where Canadian telecommunication is almost a duopoly and had major outage a few years ago without any claims of bad act…

So it has been on the upswing recently but my understanding is that in the US we have been doing pretty much as much surveillance as technology (and also generally the 4th amendment) practically allows since at least WWII, and especially during the Cold War. Many law abiding people opposed to government policy (e.g. civil rights leaders or anti-war activists) have always been surveilled with dubious cause. This isn't…

The current “workaround” to the 4th amendment is to simply have private companies who do surveillance and then buy bulk data from them.

ICE does this with location data from mobile apps. They simply buy from a private vendor the information about where specific people are. Then they go detain them.

Some real life friends of mine are on a work crew with some migrants. ICE pulled their truck over, asked the migrants to identify themselves (with different names than they’d been using), they complied, and ICE drove off with them after detaining them.

I asked “Did they have their mobile phones with them?” “Yes.” People literally are carrying around a tracking device, voluntarily, with apps installed on them, voluntarily, that report their location to government authorities who want to detain them.

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Lots of language is being destroyed in real time. Its pretty common to see the following: Corruption = Political things I dont like. Money Laundering = Money things I dont like.

Who likes corruption? Who likes money laundering? Meanwhile, do you have a case that this /isn't/ corruption, and that money laundering /isn't/ involved? Or is this just a general complaint about word selection?

> Who likes corruption? Who likes money laundering?

Corrupt people like corruption. People who want their money laundered like money laundering.

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I support prohibiting people from accessing the internet IF they're proven to be dangerous to others if they access the internet. But this applies to any public space or commons, internet or otherwise, and we already have the means of accomplishing this... With a due process. Why would it makes sense to remove that process, while introducing an incredible opaque decision-making process in its place, which totally bar…

> proven to be dangerous to others if they access the internet.

What exactly would this entail? Some people nowadays seem to have a very broad conception of "safety", broad enough to cause serious concern on the part of advocates for freedom and privacy.

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Certainly don’t give your clicks to an outlet you consider conservative to find out that the liberals you ideologically side with have written a bill so the headline remains entirely justified.

As I've describe elsewhere in this thread I've read what appear to be the relevant sections of the bill, and have concluded the headline is entirely unjustified.

You're welcome to respond to those posts if you believe I missed a bit somewhere.

I didn't read the article not because I would have to click on it, but because it is paywalled and I'm not giving them my money, as I said in the post you replied to.

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They want to ruin the lives of those who oppose them. The Canadian Liberal government has previously attempted the same goal by de-banking protestors, in a move that the courts later ruled unconstitutional.

Let's not defend the konvoy agitators here, these were legit seditionists who were given far too much leeway to start with. Cutting off their access to crowdsourced funds was too little too late, they should have been shut down more forcefully much sooner.

Next time you want to protest something your government is doing (ie, a bill to restrict internet access without due process), remember your comment. The truckers were peaceful and principled.

I wish I was surprised that people can hold opinions such as this, but I see so many cheering for authoritarianism in what once were liberal societies. Freedom dies not with a bang but a wimper after being crushed by people with "good intentions".

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They want to ruin the lives of those who oppose them. The Canadian Liberal government has previously attempted the same goal by de-banking protestors, in a move that the courts later ruled unconstitutional.

Let's not defend the konvoy agitators here, these were legit seditionists who were given far too much leeway to start with. Cutting off their access to crowdsourced funds was too little too late, they should have been shut down more forcefully much sooner.

One person's "sedition" or "insurrection" is another's "protest" or "activism".

As an objective matter, the convoy protests are documented to have resulted in no deaths, eight injuries and a few hundred arrests (and very speculative estimates of economic damage); whereas the George Floyd protests are documented to have resulted in nineteen confirmed deaths, over 14,000 arrests and ten figures of directly measurable economic damage (i.e. insurance claims resulting from vandalism and arson).

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> If the Governor in Council believes on reasonable grounds that it is necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation [...] https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... Anyone familiar enough with Canadian law to know how much bearing this condition might have in practice?

This area of Canadian law is almost entirely dependent on concepts of "reasonability" so there is nothing unusual here. Our equivalent of the Bill of Rights is bookended by a section of "reasonable limits" (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_1_of_the_Canadian_Char...) and a "notwithstanding clause" that allows for a "temporary override" of several other sections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Cha...). It's as vague and unpredictable as ever.

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National post is a respectable publication more akin to the Wall Street Journal. Canadian Breitbart is probably more like rebel news or epoch times.

These days they’re more like half Fox Business and half Fox News. They had much better journalists in the past.
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