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NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by nekojima »

thetabyte wrote: post #9
dfc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"HN users probably aren't much into football" Why do you think this? Are we too busy cleaning our pocket protectors and playing Dungeons and Dragons?

Additionally, why can't we play Dungeons and Dragons and watch football? I heavily enjoy both. Not to mention Fantasy Football, which is a strategy nerds dream, that they can actually play with their non-nerdy friends. Come to think of it, why don't we have HN Fantasy Football leagues?

Post an Ask HN next August (or however its appropriate) and if I see it, I'm in.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by wangarific »

Evbn wrote: post #45
jerf wrote: post #19

The argument in this article is just ridiculous. Handwringing about giving fans more information because they might not interpret it correctly? Breaking news: A lot of people are already plenty wrong with the current amount of information. They'll be wrong with less, they'll be wrong with more, they'll be wrong if the info level stays the same. This is therefore a null argument.

The same argument was used to defend closed access journals: the public can't be trusted to understand raw scientific research.

Anytime you open up anything like this, you force the "experts" to prove they're actually experts... and that's often difficult.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by jedberg »

bartonfink wrote: post #23
jedberg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. You'd probably be surprised. I know I was surprised when I got to college and found more football fans amongst my engineer friends than my humanities friends. It turns out the game is very complex and deep and discussing strategy can be quite interesting. I wasn't a football fan when I arrived in c…

I'm very happy to be mistaken. I was a casual fan in college, but the worm turned for me when I started hanging out with my brother in law who plays at Ball State. Hearing someone accurately predict what's going to happen before the ball is snapped, and then explain why (e.g. "they ran it up the gut because the linebacker had his weight back on his heels") really opened my eyes to the depth. If there's any HN footbal…

> Hearing someone accurately predict what's going to happen before the ball is snapped, and then explain why (e.g. "they ran it up the gut because the linebacker had his weight back on his heels") really opened my eyes to the depth

I dunno, it feels like having every play predicted might get annoying. :)

But yes, I too was enamored by the depth and strategy that I started picking up using friend's extra tickets and hanging out on "tightwad hill", which is a place above the stadium where you can watch free Cal games.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by famousactress »

thetabyte wrote: post #9
dfc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"HN users probably aren't much into football" Why do you think this? Are we too busy cleaning our pocket protectors and playing Dungeons and Dragons?

Additionally, why can't we play Dungeons and Dragons and watch football? I heavily enjoy both. Not to mention Fantasy Football, which is a strategy nerds dream, that they can actually play with their non-nerdy friends. Come to think of it, why don't we have HN Fantasy Football leagues?

Some friends of mine and I talked about doing one where we wrote bots to manage our teams instead of managing them manually. Then that turned into "We should build a platform that supports that for leagues..." and got lost on beer napkins or something. I still think it'd be fun.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by dkkarthik »

First, I'm so glad that there are so many NFL fans on HN. Now to the article; its going to be like getting your news from blogs. When you make something accessible to the masses, the quality gets diluted .. but I'm certain it makes things much more widely available. I'm willing to bet there are die-hard fans out there who are knowledgeable enough to put out quality analysis ala the analysis on NFL.com. If you listen to all the talking heads, you might not have a great experience. But over time, refine the opinions you consume, and I suspect we'll all come away for the better. I'm all for empowering the masses !

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by adestefan »

edw519 wrote: post #50

There's already a budding aftermarket... A gif that demos why Pittsburgh Steelers tight end Heath Miller is such a great run blocker: http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1198471/steelers3.g...

That is not All-22 footage; it's just standard HDTV footage.

All-22 footage is from "overhead" (at least as high as safely possible in a stadium) and shows about 2/3 of the field at all times. The All-22 footage does not have the onscreen extras such as down and distance nor the generated 1st down yellow line.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by protomyth »

tldr: "Oh my, the unwashed masses who pay our salaries get to see the full field and are too stupid to make intelligent commentary on it."

I am having a hard time trying to remember a sport that is more about the show than the actual sport as the NFL. MLB and NASCAR seem to get the whole package, but not the NFL.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by brucehart »

jerf wrote: post #19

The argument in this article is just ridiculous. Handwringing about giving fans more information because they might not interpret it correctly? Breaking news: A lot of people are already plenty wrong with the current amount of information. They'll be wrong with less, they'll be wrong with more, they'll be wrong if the info level stays the same. This is therefore a null argument.

I think they are just using this as a way to advertise the NFL video product (which seems like it is not selling very well). When you tell a bunch of armchair football experts "This is for experts only. You may not be able to handle it.", many people immediately look to prove them wrong.

This article reminds me of the time I went car shopping and wanted to test drive a 6 cylinder version of a car after driving the 4 cylinder. The salesman gave me this really phony pitch saying "I have to warn you, many people can't handle a car this fast. But once you experience the power of the 6 cylinder engine, there's no going back!". In reality, I didn't see a huge difference between the two models (I didn't buy either one), but I can see how this technique makes it easier for him to sell the more expensive car.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by lucian303 »

Maybe they should open up their games to be viewable online streaming LIVE and then their service might be worth paying for. It's 2012. Get with it NFL. There has been a world cup and a euro 2012 streamed live online successfully. FREE!

Rewind is nice if you missed something, but not so great because if you are watching a later game on rewind it'll spoil all earlier games.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

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Post by adestefan »

sp332 wrote: post #48
neilkelty wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a user experience question - the tv is optimized for fans interested in watching the game action, not analyzing all the strategy.

It's not just live TV though. They take footage from a lot of angles during the game, and make it available to other networks for post-game analysis, etc. But they haven't made the All-22 footage available at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3275698

The NFL Matchup show on ESPN uses the All-22 footage. Granted it's only on for 30 minutes and is at 7:30 AM on Sundays, but it's a great show.
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