Live data from Hacker News

NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

nfl.com

41–50 of 112 posts

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#41
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested in this as well, specially being able to see the Tampa 2 defense in action.

Same here. I hear the announcers throw around a bunch of different terms describing formations or strategies. Now, we will actually be able to see them in action as a whole.

Being able to see how New England creates space for their Tight Ends will be interesting as well.

High school coaches are going to love this, it will help develop young players.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#42
I've thought for a while now that the NFL network - their TV presence, the website - is the future of how sports will be. It's an incredibly good product if you're a football fan (as I am - go Niners).

The TV channel is well done for the fan, a mix of informality with information - bunch of faces that make us nostalgic due to their past achievements combined with solid anchors who have personality but don't try to outshine the hall-of-famers who know their stuff.

The website is very well done, interactive, some fun game dynamics. Their apps are good enough - much room for growth but they're getting better.

The all-22 game tape is a nice step forward here.

I think people who want to study the future of pro-sports media in the evolving media marketplace could do a lot worse than watching what the NFL is doing.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#43
post #34

This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…

The NFL's policies on footage are an interesting example of information control. People in the audience can clearly see all the players on the field, but people watching at home are not allowed to. And even though the NFL has put tons of money into excellent cameras and awesome post-processing effects, they still hadn't released the most informative camera views!

It's a user experience question - the tv is optimized for fans interested in watching the game action, not analyzing all the strategy.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#45
post #19

The argument in this article is just ridiculous. Handwringing about giving fans more information because they might not interpret it correctly? Breaking news: A lot of people are already plenty wrong with the current amount of information. They'll be wrong with less, they'll be wrong with more, they'll be wrong if the info level stays the same. This is therefore a null argument.

The same argument was used to defend closed access journals: the public can't be trusted to understand raw scientific research.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#46
post #20

"And therein lies the problem with All-22 tape becoming available to the general public, particularly when it comes to passing plays. Someone will be open and many fans will assume that the quarterback did not make the right read or was locked onto another receiver. Yet in reality there is a progression on every pass play -- based on the coverage -- that a quarterback must rely on to determine who gets the ball. What…

"Hey guy posting on NFL.com, thanks for assuming the entire fanbase consists of complete idiots!" That's Michael Lombardi. Perhaps you are not giving him enough credit as a former NFL executive? He is more than just "some guy". "ESPN/NFL films has been feeding this to us for years using their access to All-22" That is a partially correct statement. They would highlight specific plays and break them down for us (Ron J…

My point isn't that he isn't an expert on the NFL. But I would say he does not know much if he thinks giving people more information will make people jump to conclusions they've already made beforehand. Giving people this information is not any more detrimental than broadcasting the game on a TV. You will always have people shouting, "what an idiot" when a QB misses a receiver, adding this will at least give them additional information.

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#47

This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…

However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. Nah, there's at least two of us. #GODOLPHINS

I assume we are not talking Thoroughbred horses here?

I do not want to risk another "oh HN is becoming Reddit" discussion, but could we focus on the reasons why one of the worlds largest sports organisations does not want its fans to see a wideshot of a pitch and how on earth they think wifi enabled phones, 3D cameras and 10billion channels will do to their reasoning in 5 years?

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#48
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NFL's policies on footage are an interesting example of information control. People in the audience can clearly see all the players on the field, but people watching at home are not allowed to. And even though the NFL has put tons of money into excellent cameras and awesome post-processing effects, they still hadn't released the most informative camera views!

It's a user experience question - the tv is optimized for fans interested in watching the game action, not analyzing all the strategy.

It's not just live TV though. They take footage from a lot of angles during the game, and make it available to other networks for post-game analysis, etc. But they haven't made the All-22 footage available at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3275698

Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public

#49
post #25

And the first consequence of opening that Pandora's Box would be even more ammunition (not that any more is needed) for fans/writers/anyone with a passing interest in NFL to point out how awful the replacement refs are refs: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8394351/the-nfl-official-m... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8393575/replacement-offici... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8402489/nfl-replacement-of...

This announcement dates from June, so I believe the footage is already available. So far I haven't heard anyone cite the All-22 footage for anything other than Grantland.com articles.
Post reply on HN