It's incredible that they're offering this tape--especially from a computer vision perspective. With enough data, one could conceivably write a program that predicts a team's next play based on the players' pre-snap formation and the previous plays.
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#32This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…
However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. Nah, there's at least two of us. #GODOLPHINS
Three, Phins fan here too.
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#33This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…
However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. Nah, there's at least two of us. #GODOLPHINS
I grew up a Lions fan, but man, that HBO show Hard Knocks got me hooked on your team. Now I find myself wanting to watch Dolphins' games and hoping Joe Philbin gets it together.
Re: NFL opens Pandora's Box by offering All-22 tape to public
#34This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…
The NFL's policies on footage are an interesting example of information control. People in the audience can clearly see all the players on the field, but people watching at home are not allowed to. And even though the NFL has put tons of money into excellent cameras and awesome post-processing effects, they still hadn't released the most informative camera views!
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#36I never understood the fear of fans wrongly criticizing teams/players/coaches based on the All-22 tape. All other sports make their own equivalent of it available allowing fans to see every mistake made by every player. As far as I know it hasn't resulted in any worse sportsmanship. Football in particular has always had Monday morning quarterbacks and always will. The media has always had access to the All-22 tape and do break down the best and worst plays every week. I'm glad they're finally opening this up but does anyone know what they were so scared of before?
This does open up a huge opportunity for third party analysis, most obviously for sports betting and fantasy football tips. With a much smaller sample size of games and plays football will never become as predictable as baseball but it will be exciting to see what the general public will do with this.
Also for any high school defensive backs who previously had no way to study how the pros play their position, this is huge!
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. HN users probably aren't much into football, but they do seem to enjoy finding out about strategy involved in things they haven't thought much about.
"HN users probably aren't much into football" Why do you think this? Are we too busy cleaning our pocket protectors and playing Dungeons and Dragons?
Because sport tends to be shallowly, but intensely, interesting.
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.
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#38An interesting thread was on HN last November about this same topic (which at the time I had no idea about): http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3275698
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#39This is very exciting, as there's a lot of strategy to American football that isn't plainly visible when the camera just follows the ball as it does on television. It's not going to showcase technique very well, but it'll go a long way towards explaining e.g. why some wide receivers are always open, why some players always seem to be in the right position to interrupt a pass, etc. I'd actually find it very interestin…
You're not alone but the startup community definitely has less than average number of people interested in football and sports in general. I don't have data on this, it's the feeling I get as someone doing a startup in sports and talking to other entrepreneurs in the bay area.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
However, I'm not sure it's of wide interest to HN. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one here who likes NFL football. Nah, there's at least two of us. #GODOLPHINS
I grew up a Lions fan, but man, that HBO show Hard Knocks got me hooked on your team. Now I find myself wanting to watch Dolphins' games and hoping Joe Philbin gets it together.
Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about Philbin. But as a long-suffering 'Phins fan, that may just be wishful thinking on my part.