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Re: Apps SDK

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Post by sanj »

munk-a wrote: post #125
derekcheng08 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect there are many, many things for which chat is a great interface. And by positioning ChatGPT as the distributor for all these things, they get to be the new Google. But you're also right that many domains for which a purpose-built interface is the right approach, and if the domain is valuable enough, it'll have someone coming after it to build that.

I have yet to see a chat agent deployed that is more popular than tailored browsing methods. The most charitable way to explain this is that the tailored browsing methods already in place are the results of years of careful design and battle testing and that the chat agent is providing most of the value that a tailored browsing method would but without any of the investment required to bring a traditional UX to fruit…

Hard disagree.

At least in my domains, the "battle-tested" UX is a direct replication of underlying data structures and database tables.

What chat gives you access to is a non-structured input that a clever coder can then sufficiently structure to create a vector database query.

Natural language turns out to be far more flexible and nuanced interface than walls of checkboxes.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by ultrarunner »

heavyset_go wrote: post #270
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

Just like I won't trust voice assistants to make purchases for me, or make decisions that actually matter, there is no way in hell that I'm letting an LLM be able to charge my credit card, let alone book flights for me lol

Think of how much work it'll create to correct these charges. I bet there's application for understanding and issuing refunds & corrections…

I suspect our future is going to be a lot more frustrating, both from AI screwups and the atrophied skills of humans

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by dawnerd »

I’ve still yet to see how this improves anything? I saw someone mentioning it can use Spotify. Okay but like so can older gen assistants. Seems like they’re just trying to sell a much more expensive way of doing something that already exists.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by dawnerd »

dewitt wrote: post #39
emilsedgh wrote: post #31

I see a lot of negative comments here but to me, it was obvious this is where OAI should land. They want to be the platform in which you tell what you want, and OAI does it for you. It's gonna connect to your inbox, calendar, payment methods, and you'll just ask it to do something and it will, using those apps. This means OAI won't need ads. Just rev share.

> This means OAI won't need ads. Just rev share If OpenAI thinks there’s sweet, sweet revenue in email and calendar apps, just waiting to be shared, their investors are in for a big surprise.

Zapier has been doing this for how long and no one talks about them like some hot new startup.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by freediver »

chongli wrote: post #199
ryandrake wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I don't want to sit there at my computer, which can handle lots of different input methods, like keyboard, mouse, clicking, dragging, or my phone which can handle gestures, pinching, swiping... and try to articulate what I need it to do in English language conversation. This is actually a step backwards in human-computer interaction. To use an extreme example: imagine instead of a knob on my stereo for volume, I…

It's funny, because the chat bot designers seem to be continually attempting to recreate the voice computer interface from Star Trek: TNG. Yet if you watch the show carefully, the vast majority of the work done by all the Enterprise crew is done via touchscreens, not voice. The only reason for the voice interface is to facilitate the production of a TV show. By having the characters speak their requests aloud to the…

Profound observation, thank you for this.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #145
wiradikusuma wrote: post #43

In 2018, I founded a startup specializing in chatbot for events. At the time the platforms were Alexa Skills, Actions on Google, and Messenger Platform (and LINE Bot, for people in Asia). I guess what's old is new again, but with fancier tech. This time will be different?

Do people even want chatbots for events? I personally prefer well curated information.

"I personally prefer well curated information."

The LLM will do the curation.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 »

sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things.

Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes.

It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being a way safer mode of travel. When I’m flying I don’t feel like I’m in control.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by pu_pu »

This really feels like a missed opportunity to build something genuinely new, something that actually plays to the strengths of LLMs, instead of just embedding a fixed set of app screens inside chat.

Ideally, users should be able to describe a task, and the AI would figure out which tools to use, wire them together, and show the result as an editable workflow or inline canvas the user can tweak. Frameworks like LlamaIndex’s Workflow or LangGraph already let you define these directed graphs manually in Python where each node can do something specific, branch, or loop. But the AI should be able to generate those DAGs on the fly, since it’s just code underneath.

And given that LLMs are already quite good at generating UI code and following a design system (see v0.app), there’s not much reason to hardcode screens at all. The model can just create and adapt them as needed.

Really hope Google doesn’t follow OpenAI down this path.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by freakynit »

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 wrote: post #277
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I’m not sure how many people there are like me outside of this website but there’s not a single bone in my body that wants to use AI for these things. Buying plane tickets for example. It’s not even that I don’t trust the AI or that I’m afraid it might make a mistake. I just inherently want to feel like I’m in control of these processes. It’s the same reason I’m more afraid of flying than driving despite flying being…

Same here. Neither do I trust these tools to be working accurately, nor do I have the patience to wait for them to complete the given task when I ca do that manually 10x faster already.

Re: Apps SDK

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Post by sert_121 »

totallymike wrote: post #269
sert_121 wrote: post #246

It's interesting to see how chatgpt is becoming more and more of a starting point of the web exploration, at which they're like, why even bother searching at this point, we'll just have default workflows for maps, buy (integration of stripe already marks it), booking airlines etc, which covers so much basic stuff people would do anyways. The biggest bottleneck for this for the past two years imo wasn't the models, bu…

I dismay at the possibility of this happening. What’s the point of an internet at all if one company controls, filters, and governs our entire usage of it? I understand an argument can be made that google is doing similar, but at least you can still search and end up on an actual site, rather than just play telephone via chatgpt. This concept is horrifying for so many reasons.

I agree with the fact that a monopolized web is not friendlier to anyone. But seeing the trajectories of tech companies in the past decade, the unfortunate north star is distribution and the relentless pursuit of it.

Even in that dire circumstance, I wish that the web versions keep up/are maintained, instead of being slowly deprecated, which happened for a lot of mobile-native versions of applications.

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