Surely there must be something that's missing in translation? This feels like it simply can't be right.
Because it was arson, not an accident
Arson? Sounds increasingly like espionage.
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#302wow https://x.com/koryodynasty/status/1973956091638890499 > A senior government official overseeing recovery efforts for South Korea's national network crisis has reportedly died by suicide in Sejong.
If the US government and corporate executives had even half this level of shame, we'd have nobody left in those positions!
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
Enemy country in the current geopolitical climate is an interesting take. Doesn't sound like a great idea to me tbh.
There are a lot of gray relations out there, but there’s almost no way you could morph the current US/SK relations to one of hostility; beyond a negligible minority of citizens in either being super vocal for some perceived slights.
You think when ICE arrested over 300 South Korean citizens who were setting up a Georgia Hyundai plant and subjected them to alleged human rights abuses, it was only a perceived slight?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/south-korea-human-rights-inve...
How Trump’s ICE Raid Triggered Nationwide Outrage in South Korea
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ice-raid-hyundai-outrage-sout...
'The raid "will do lasting damage to America's credibility," John Delury, a senior fellow at the Asia Society think tank, told Bloomberg. "How can a government that treats Koreans this way be relied upon as an 'ironclad' ally in a crisis?"'
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
> France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls. > Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “aston…
France has had a reputation for being especially active in industrial espionage since at least the 1990s. Here's an article from 2011 https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio... I always thought it was a little unusual that the state of France owns over 25% of the defense and cyber security company Thales.
> I always thought it was a little unusual that the state of France owns over 25% of the defense and cyber security company Thales.
Unusual from an American perspective, maybe. The French state has stakes in many companies, particularly in critical markets that affect national sovereignty and security, such as defence or energy. There is a government agency to manage this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agence_des_participations_de_l... .
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#305I was the principal consultant at a subcontractor to a contractor for a large state government IT consolidation project, working on (among other things) the data centre design. This included the storage system. I noticed that someone had daisy-chained petabytes of disk through relatively slow ports and hadn’t enabled the site-to-site replication that they had the hardware for! They had the dark fibre, the long-range…
> In private organisations you get competent shouty people at the top insisting on a job done right. In government you get incompetent shouty people insisting that the job gets done wrong. Great post and story but this conclusion is questionable. These kinds of incompetences or misaligned incentives absolutely happen in private organisations as well.
Much more rarely in my experience, having been at both kinds of organisations.
There’s a sort-of “gradient descent” optimisation in private organisations, established by the profit motive and the competitors nipping at their heels. There’s no such gradient in government, it’s just “flat”. Promotions hence have a much weaker correlation with competence and a stronger correlation with nepotism, political skill, and willingness to participate in corruption.
I’ve worked with may senior leaders in all kinds of organisations, but only in government will you find someone who is functionally illiterate and innumerate in a position of significant power.
Obviously this is just a statistical bias, so there’s overlap and outliers. Large, established monopoly corporations can be nigh indistinguishable from a government agency.
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#306https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article
Woah, read the timeline at the top of this. The fire happened the very day the government ordered onsite inspection was supposed to start due to Chinese/NK hacking.
Yeah, this whole thing smells.
Who has the incentive to do this, though? China/North Korea? Or someone in South Korea trying to cover up how bad they messed up? Does adding this additional mess on top mean they looked like they messed up less? (And for that to be true, how horrifically bad does the hack have to be?)
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#307Mindblowing. Took a walk. All I can say is that if business continues "as usual" and the economy and public services continue largely unaffected then either there were local copies of critical documents, or you can fire a lot of those workers; either one of those ways the "stress test" was a success.
Yeah you can do the same with your car too - just gradually remove parts and see what's really necessary. Seatbelts, horn, rear doors? Gone. Think of the efficiency!
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
Enemy country in the current geopolitical climate is an interesting take. Doesn't sound like a great idea to me tbh.
There are a lot of gray relations out there, but there’s almost no way you could morph the current US/SK relations to one of hostility; beyond a negligible minority of citizens in either being super vocal for some perceived slights.
One could have said the exact same thing about US-EU relations just a couple of years ago. And yet, here we are.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. Like, don't store it in the cloud of an enemy country of course. But if it's encrypted and you're keeping a live backup in a second country with a second company, ideally with a different geopolitical alignment, I don't see the problem.
From the perspective of securing your data, what's the practical difference between a second country and an enemy country? None. Even if it's encrypted data, all encryption can be broken, and so we must assume it will be broken. Sensitive data shouldn't touch outside systems, period, no matter what encryption.
A statement like "all encryption can be broken" is about as useful as "all systems can be hacked" in which case, not putting data in the cloud isn't really a useful argument.
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#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue here is not refusing to use a foreign third party. That makes sense. The issue is mandating the use of remote storage and not backing it up. That’s insane. It’s like the most basic amount of preparation you do. It’s recommended to even the smallest of companies specifically because a fire is a risk. That’s gross mismanagement.
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How’s that? Using encryption, which is known to have backdoors and is vulnerable to nation state cracking?