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Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by ares623 »

sciencejerk wrote: post #35
monero-xmr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us who exceed the AI, it raises our value enormously. You see it in the pay of the AI engineers. But in the high interest rate world, those of us who continue to be employed, are commanding higher wages, as far as I can tell. It is a culling of the lesser-than. One unfortunate side-effect is the junior engineers who cannot immediately exceed the AI are not being hired as often. But this era echos the dot…

> College should return to being the purview of the truly intelligent and the children of the rich, as it was for all time before WW2. You're likely correct that we're witnessing a reconsolidation of wealth and the extinction of the middle class in society, but you seem happy about this? Be careful what you wish for...

They probably think they’re one of the “truly intelligent and children/parent of the rich” lol

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by monero-xmr »

novemp wrote: post #39
monero-xmr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, all middle class jobs do not require a college degree. Perhaps a college degree is primarily a signalling mechanism for adherence to a bygone era of societal norms. But the price is far too high to justify it, and the market will create alternative proof of societal norms, at a far cheaper price. Which is happening as we debate. My concern now is a large number of under-employed college graduates who a…

Yeah, sure, not every job should require a degree, but that doesn't justify keeping The Poors from pursuing education. Some of us value education for its own sake, not as a prerequisite for employment.

You are assuming the only avenue to "education" is through the university experience

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by croes »

awesome_dude wrote: post #36
foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

If this was true, why hasn't it happened for the last... 30 or 40 years that FOSS code has been published on the internet

Same reason why fake images and videos are now more. Photoshop existed 30 years ago.

Before LLM you needed time and abilities to do it, with AI you need less of both.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by novemp »

monero-xmr wrote: post #42
novemp wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sure, not every job should require a degree, but that doesn't justify keeping The Poors from pursuing education. Some of us value education for its own sake, not as a prerequisite for employment.

You are assuming the only avenue to "education" is through the university experience

Some people learn best in structured class settings.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

#45

Post by croes »

userbinator wrote: post #6

Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.

AI makes it easy for others to claim they did the work so others are less likely to do the real work. Means the giants won’t grow.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by cientifico »

The license was MIT until two months ago.

That gives anyone the right to get the source code of that commit and do whatever.

The article does not specified if the company is still using the code AFTER the license change.

The rest of the points are still valid.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by card_zero »

monero-xmr wrote: post #28
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing subverts my defense of human creativity more than the cliched human defenses of AI.

For those of us who exceed the AI, it raises our value enormously. You see it in the pay of the AI engineers. But in the high interest rate world, those of us who continue to be employed, are commanding higher wages, as far as I can tell. It is a culling of the lesser-than. One unfortunate side-effect is the junior engineers who cannot immediately exceed the AI are not being hired as often. But this era echos the dot…

35%, ignoring "secondary majors" which may or may not coincide with primary majors that also have CS in the title.

(Also ignoring the thousand first years at the end of the list.)

The various 0.5 half-student quantities throw some doubt on the measurement too.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by monero-xmr »

ares623 wrote: post #41
sciencejerk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> College should return to being the purview of the truly intelligent and the children of the rich, as it was for all time before WW2. You're likely correct that we're witnessing a reconsolidation of wealth and the extinction of the middle class in society, but you seem happy about this? Be careful what you wish for...

They probably think they’re one of the “truly intelligent and children/parent of the rich” lol

I would not want the unintelligent and non-rich to go into debt to spend 4 years at a university, getting a degree in a subject which is absurd

https://www.sps.nyu.edu/explore/degrees-and-programs/bs-in-h...

Please, tell me how going $300k in debt for an undergraduate degree in Tourism Studies benefits society, or the student

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by typpilol »

as1mov wrote: post #30
userbinator wrote: post #6

Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.

The offending repository is copying files verbatim while removing off the license header from the said files. It's not "standing on the shoulder of giants".

That doesn't even seem like ai but just direct copy pasting lol

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by laurex »

I’m interested in a new kind of license which I’m calling “relational source” - not about money or whether a product is commercial but instead if there’s an actual person who wants to use the code with some kind of AGPL-esque mechanism to ensure no mindless ingestion- perhaps this would never work but it’s also breaking the spirit of everything I love about OSS to have AI erasing the contributions of the people who put their time into doing the work.
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