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Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by nhinck3 » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:30 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing subverts my defense of human creativity more than the cliched human defenses of AI.

For those of us who exceed the AI, it raises our value enormously. You see it in the pay of the AI engineers. But in the high interest rate world, those of us who continue to be employed, are commanding higher wages, as far as I can tell. It is a culling of the lesser-than. One unfortunate side-effect is the junior engineers who cannot immediately exceed the AI are not being hired as often. But this era echos the dot…

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Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by foxylad » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:31 AM UTC

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust.

The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by akoboldfrying » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:32 AM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #17

throwaway290 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is a blatant try to normalize. "Bad people do unethical things, I guess we'll have to live with it and shut up" is the vibe the author is going good. it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet

> this is a blatant try to normalize. This doesn't mean anything. You have no ability to "normalize" anything. It's not an action that somebody can take. > it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet Real let me speak to your manager energy. Nobody is waiting for you to go quiet to get on with things.

> You have no ability to "normalize" anything.

Normalisation isn't something that one person by themselves can achieve. It only happens when public opinion is swayed. How is it swayed? By people deliberately trying to sway it, like GP here.

If you are instead arguing that normalisation is not really a thing at all: What do you call the change in attitudes to people who are left-handed, disabled, or homosexual?

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by josfredo » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:34 AM UTC

ugh123 wrote: post #11

> Please DO NOT TURST ANY WORD THEY SAY. They're very good at lingual manipulation. I don't know if this was intentional misspelling or not but it's damn funny

It is likely intentional as the author is battling AI with many means possible. However it leans towards funny and hopeless at the same time.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by sciencejerk » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:38 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing subverts my defense of human creativity more than the cliched human defenses of AI.

For those of us who exceed the AI, it raises our value enormously. You see it in the pay of the AI engineers. But in the high interest rate world, those of us who continue to be employed, are commanding higher wages, as far as I can tell. It is a culling of the lesser-than. One unfortunate side-effect is the junior engineers who cannot immediately exceed the AI are not being hired as often. But this era echos the dot…

> College should return to being the purview of the truly intelligent and the children of the rich, as it was for all time before WW2.

You're likely correct that we're witnessing a reconsolidation of wealth and the extinction of the middle class in society, but you seem happy about this? Be careful what you wish for...

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by awesome_dude » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:39 AM UTC

foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

If this was true, why hasn't it happened for the last... 30 or 40 years that FOSS code has been published on the internet

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by monero-xmr » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:41 AM UTC

sciencejerk wrote: post #35

monero-xmr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us who exceed the AI, it raises our value enormously. You see it in the pay of the AI engineers. But in the high interest rate world, those of us who continue to be employed, are commanding higher wages, as far as I can tell. It is a culling of the lesser-than. One unfortunate side-effect is the junior engineers who cannot immediately exceed the AI are not being hired as often. But this era echos the dot…

> College should return to being the purview of the truly intelligent and the children of the rich, as it was for all time before WW2. You're likely correct that we're witnessing a reconsolidation of wealth and the extinction of the middle class in society, but you seem happy about this? Be careful what you wish for...

Alternatively, all middle class jobs do not require a college degree. Perhaps a college degree is primarily a signalling mechanism for adherence to a bygone era of societal norms. But the price is far too high to justify it, and the market will create alternative proof of societal norms, at a far cheaper price. Which is happening as we debate.

My concern now is a large number of under-employed college graduates who are indebted to worthless degrees, feeling pinched because the debt far surpasses their market value. This has been the case for a long time, but has now reached the upper-echelons of academia where even Ivy league grads cannot get employment. You need to re-calibrate your ire to the correct target

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by ares623 » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:43 AM UTC

awesome_dude wrote: post #36

foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

If this was true, why hasn't it happened for the last... 30 or 40 years that FOSS code has been published on the internet

Last i checked LLMs didn’t exist until only a few years ago

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by novemp » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:47 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #37

sciencejerk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> College should return to being the purview of the truly intelligent and the children of the rich, as it was for all time before WW2. You're likely correct that we're witnessing a reconsolidation of wealth and the extinction of the middle class in society, but you seem happy about this? Be careful what you wish for...

Alternatively, all middle class jobs do not require a college degree. Perhaps a college degree is primarily a signalling mechanism for adherence to a bygone era of societal norms. But the price is far too high to justify it, and the market will create alternative proof of societal norms, at a far cheaper price. Which is happening as we debate. My concern now is a large number of under-employed college graduates who a…

Yeah, sure, not every job should require a degree, but that doesn't justify keeping The Poors from pursuing education.

Some of us value education for its own sake, not as a prerequisite for employment.

Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering

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Post by makeitdouble » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:47 AM UTC

awesome_dude wrote: post #36

foxylad wrote: post #32

This will kill open source. Anything of value will be derived and re-derived and re-re-derived by bad players until no-one knows which package or library to trust. The fatal flaw of the open internet is that bad players can exploit with impunity. It happened with email, it happened with websites, it happened with search, and now it's happening with code. Greedy people spoil good things.

If this was true, why hasn't it happened for the last... 30 or 40 years that FOSS code has been published on the internet

Copyright was the base protection layer. Not in the "I own it" sense, but in the "you can't take it and run with it" sense.

With the current weakening of it, it opens the door to abuses that we don't have the proper tools to deal with now. Perhaps new ones will emerge, but we'll have to see.