> Please DO NOT TURST ANY WORD THEY SAY. They're very good at lingual manipulation.
I don't know if this was intentional misspelling or not but it's damn funny
AI-powered open-source code laundering
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Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#12This is the new reality. Information in the form of raw entropy encoded in weights—it doesn’t matter if it’s text, image, video, or 3D. Assets (or formerly known as assets) now belong to the big labs, if it’s on the internet.
Internet plus AI implies the tragedy of the commons manifested in the digital world.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#13If we step back and examine LLMs more broadly (beyond our personal use cases, beyond "economic impact", beyond the underlying computer science) what we are largely looking at is an emerging means of collaboration. I am not an expert computer scientist, and yet I can "collaborate" (I almost feel bad using this term) with expert computer scientists when my LLM helps me design my particular algorithm. I am not an expert on Indonesian surf breaks, yet I tap into an existing knowledge base when I query my LLM while planning the trip. I am very naive about a lot of things and thankfully there are numerous ways to integrate with experts and improve my capacity to engage in whatever I am naive about, LLMs offering the latest ground-breaking method.
This is the most appropriate lens through which to assess AI and its impact on open source, intellectual property, and other proprietary assets. Alongside this new form of collaboration comes a restructuring of power. It's not clear to me how our various societies will design this restructuring (so far we are collectively doing nearly nothing) but the restructuring of these power structures is not a technical process; it is cultural and political. Engineers will only offer so much help here.
For the most part, it is up to us to collectively orchestrate the new power structure, and I am still seeing very little literature on the topic. If anyone has a reading list, please share!
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#14Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.
Yeah, this is where I find the copyright argument a little weak. Because how do artisans learn their craft? By observing others' work.
Instead, I feel like the objections are (rightly) these two issues:
1. GenAI operates at a much larger scale than an individual artist. I don't think artists would have an issue with someone commissioning a portrait say in the style Van Gogh (copyright argument). They would have an issue if that artist painted 100,000 pictures a day in the style of Van Gogh.
2. Lack of giving back: some of the greatest artists have internalized great art from previous generations, and then something miraculous happens. An entirely new style emerges. They have now given back to the community that incubated them. I don't really see this same giving back with GenAI.
Edit: one other thought. Adobe used their own legally created art to train their model, and people still complain about it, so I don't buy the copyright argument if they're upset about Adobe's GenAI.
Edit 2: I'm not condoning blatant copyright infringement like is detailed in this post.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#15Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.
This. AI is a magnificent way to make the entire world's codebase available as a giant, cross-platform, standard library. I welcome AI to copy my crap if that's going to help anyone in the future.
You forgot to mention that if things continue as they are, a very small group of people will have complete control over this giant library.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#16Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.
Yeah, this is where I find the copyright argument a little weak. Because how do artisans learn their craft? By observing others' work. Instead, I feel like the objections are (rightly) these two issues: 1. GenAI operates at a much larger scale than an individual artist. I don't think artists would have an issue with someone commissioning a portrait say in the style Van Gogh (copyright argument). They would have an is…
Copyright is a nightmare. It's just that it sounds like a gentler nightmare than hyperscaled algorithms controlled by a few.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#17Sorry to say but this is going to be the new normal, and it's going to be quite difficult to stop. Your moat as a creator is your personal brand and the community you build around your tools.
this is a blatant try to normalize. "Bad people do unethical things, I guess we'll have to live with it and shut up" is the vibe the author is going good. it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet
> this is a blatant try to normalize.
This doesn't mean anything. You have no ability to "normalize" anything. It's not an action that somebody can take.
> it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet
Real let me speak to your manager energy. Nobody is waiting for you to go quiet to get on with things.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. AI is a magnificent way to make the entire world's codebase available as a giant, cross-platform, standard library. I welcome AI to copy my crap if that's going to help anyone in the future.
You forgot to mention that if things continue as they are, a very small group of people will have complete control over this giant library.
It's a concern. But there are open source models.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#19Hopefully the spread of AI will make more people realise that everything is a derivative work. If it wasn't an AI, it was a human standing on the shoulders of giants.
Nothing subverts my defense of human creativity more than the cliched human defenses of AI.
Re: AI-powered open-source code laundering
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
You forgot to mention that if things continue as they are, a very small group of people will have complete control over this giant library.
It's a concern. But there are open source models.
I find it odd that any LLM could be considered open source. Sure the weights are available to download and use, but you can't reasonably reconstruct the output model as it's impractical for an individual to gather a useful dataset or spend $5,000,000+ of GPU time training.