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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dbancajas » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 2:35 PM UTC

jijijijij wrote: post #437

mrbonner wrote: post #351

The horror that starvation inflicts on the human mind is beyond comparison. My grandfather experienced this firsthand when he fled from the Japanese invasion, an occupation that stripped civilians of their food supply. He helplessly watched as his parents, relatives, and even his older brother succumbed one by one to hunger. Barely escaping the same fate, he fled the country just before starvation could claim his own…

Starvation may also cause epigenetic and metabolic changes, which persist and are even passed to next generations. In children tissue dystrophy is particular damaging, since their bodies are still developing. Starvation is a really fucking bad thing.

It's nature's way of communicating to the next generation. That is crazy and beautiful.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by AzzieElbab » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 2:38 PM UTC

nikodotio wrote: post #816

AzzieElbab wrote: post #629

How many people died of famine in Gaza?

Read the article

I did. 450, according to CNN, no sources cited, and no reference to how many died of hunger before the war. One thing I did not expect on this board is innumeracy.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by flyinglizard » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 2:49 PM UTC

jayveeone wrote: post #887

flyinglizard wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a very high hill to die on, expecting Israeli civilians to prioritize the lives of enemies over their own. Any historical precedent, or are we entering into the fuzzy realm of uncharted morality?

It's a neat little trick to just say any child you shoot in the head is Hamas. Or any women a children you starve was actually Hamas. Or every hospital you blow up was because Hamas was hiding in there. Or just pretend that October 2023 was the start of the conflict ignoring the decades of death, apartheid, and brutality preceding it. I'm just glad people like you are willing to publish stuff like this to the interne…

>> It's a neat little trick to just say any child you shoot in the head is Hamas. Or any women a children you starve was actually Hamas.

Your words; not mine. I am supporting the military campaign against Gaza, and I also reject the separation between "Gaza" and "Hamas" as entirely artificial and serving an agenda.

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza, they administrate Gaza, they pay salaries and they're the ones you negotiate with regarding Gaza. When your hear casualties numbers coming from the "Gaza Health Ministry", they're provided by Hamas.

In October 7th 2023 it's Gaza, not Hamas, who started a war with Israel (not with the Israeli Defense Forces). It's a war between populations that for various reasons will not coexist on the same piece of land. Back in WWII, USA fought Japan, not the "Imperial Japanese Armed Forces".

This is a war between nations.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by zelphirkalt » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 2:51 PM UTC

flyinglizard wrote: post #406

monocasa wrote: post #280

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Hadash is not an anti-state party. For instance it explicitly supports a two state solution.

Hadash is a communist party, first and foremost. But the Arab parties - Balad, Raam, Taal - they are advocating for Palestinian "right of return" and turning Israel into a bi-national state, therefore ending what we know as Israel today.

Seeing that Israel has done very little good around itself ever, maybe changing the character of it would be a good thing. It's not working well.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by boxerab » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 2:54 PM UTC

archdang wrote: post #835

boxerab wrote: post #743

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We see here an example of a useless idiot. Point 1, nonsense: Allies fed Germans during WW2, the US fed Iraqis and Afghans during their wars and occupations. Point 2, nonsense: The Rafah crossing has been intermittently open, and Egypt has allowed aid in coordination with the UN. Israel has bombed the Rafah crossing multiple times since October 7th. Point 3, whataboutism. Sudan and Yemen are in the news in my circles…

My whole point is that there is a double standard applied to the only Jewish state vs all other countries, and I'm afraid you have given pretty weak rebuttal.

Point 1: nope, the Allies provided minimal food to the Germans during the conflict. They were too busy bombing the crap out of German cities, and they didn't bother on warning the civilians first, as Israel does in Gaza. The aid came AFTER the Nazis had unconditionally surrendered.

Point 2: nope again - there has been some food coming from Egypt, but they are not at war and nobody is marching in the streets demanding that they give more. And yes, Rafah was bombed, because there is a war taking place, with Hamas smuggling arms and food through the crossing.

Point 3: nope, the famines in Sudan and Yemen are real vs the fake famine in Gaza, and yet I see no street marches or HN posts on these tragedies. Maybe it's because it is Muslims killing and starving other Muslims. No Jews, No News.

If you actually cared about Gazans you would demand that Hamas release hostages and surrender - conflict ends immediately.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by zelphirkalt » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 3:02 PM UTC

mrbonner wrote: post #351

The horror that starvation inflicts on the human mind is beyond comparison. My grandfather experienced this firsthand when he fled from the Japanese invasion, an occupation that stripped civilians of their food supply. He helplessly watched as his parents, relatives, and even his older brother succumbed one by one to hunger. Barely escaping the same fate, he fled the country just before starvation could claim his own…

My grandfather had to join Nazi German military towards the end of the war at the age of 15. Fully indoctrinated of course, thinking, that he must serve his country. Got captured in Russia, survived prisoner camps there, by eating grass to avoid starvation. He told me stories about the conditions there. Hard work, and every morning someone would be dead from the cold or from starvation, or from suffocating in puddles of water. Later he was moved to an US managed prisoner camp, where food was plenty and good.

He also survived a head shot wound (visible on the side of his head) and doctors told him, that he should drink and smoke as much as he wants, because he wouldn't make it long anyway ... Well, he made it to old age and only dies a few years ago. (He did stop smoking, when my grandma also stopped. He smoked cigars and then from one day to the next, they both stopped doing that.)

However, I think it is in those Russian PoW camps, that he developed something we call "Hungerhast". I couldn't find a translation in 2 dictionaries, so I am not sure it is a proper term. Basically, body begins shaking, cannot stop hands from shaking, if he got hungry.

He didn't have higher education, but definitely had an engineer's mind. He built many things out of wood to sell them. For example he got into woodturning and also made traditional nutcrackers, which he also painted in various colors. Back in DDR this stuff was highly sought, because getting it from West Germany was not possible for everyone. He also had a writing side. Was able to come up with spoonerism (I just looked up that word. Not sure if correct. Some kind of phrase that rhymes.) and collected them.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by HDThoreaun » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 3:02 PM UTC

phgn wrote: post #474

HDThoreaun wrote: post #462

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Well the palestinians shouldnt have launched a terrorist attack if they wanted a good deal. Now their choices are bad deal or genocide

This is not how international law is supposed to work. Nothing justifies a genocide.

International law is not real and anyone who ever thought it was has their head up their ass

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by HelloNurse » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 3:14 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #900

DrScientist wrote: post #838

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Sadly I think you are mistaken to paint it as an irrational Israel lashing out - that's too generous. I think it's quite the opposite - there has been a very clear, cold, calculated strategy - which is to use the conflict as an cover for doing what some in the government have always wanted to do ( and been quite open about it ) - which is to create a greater Israel - drive out all Palestinians from the river to the s…

> which is to create a greater Israel This is fantasy. Israel (or any country really) ability to expand is limited by its neighbors. Egypt, Jordan and the GCC are more powerful than the 60s and the recent UAE message of pulling of the Abraham accord is a clear signal that they have real weight in Washington. Israel cannot, in the current circumstances, expand. So I agree with your parent. What Israel currently is doi…

Expansion is relative: consolidating the assimilation of Gaza and the West Bank is a project that has been progressing for decades, not a recent military development. Ridiculous escalations like invading the Sinai peninsula would be considered "expansion"; the current ethnic cleansing is perceived as an internal Israeli matter.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by HDThoreaun » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 3:16 PM UTC

swat535 wrote: post #688

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #626

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> Israel lost the information/media war so damn badly that it may genuinely not recover from this Israel probably came out ahead if all they lost is prestige. They've neutered Iran and become the de facto regional security power. Their weapons and military have been validated, which makes than a desirable trading partner in an increasingly-militarising world. And they're turning into a gas exporter. Worst case, a gen…

> They've neutered Iran and become the de facto regional security power How did they "neuter" Iran? Iran responded quickly and managed to heavily damage TelAviv and is now rushing to accelerate rebuilding their nuclear capabilities. If anything, the previous operation was a disaster, it allowed to regime to entrench itself even further in IRAN and regime change that they were hoping for didn't happen. I'm sure both I…

Annihilated Hezbollah, toppled the Assad regime. Those two were irans most important allies and are now gone.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by DrScientist » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 3:25 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #900

DrScientist wrote: post #838

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly I think you are mistaken to paint it as an irrational Israel lashing out - that's too generous. I think it's quite the opposite - there has been a very clear, cold, calculated strategy - which is to use the conflict as an cover for doing what some in the government have always wanted to do ( and been quite open about it ) - which is to create a greater Israel - drive out all Palestinians from the river to the s…

> which is to create a greater Israel This is fantasy. Israel (or any country really) ability to expand is limited by its neighbors. Egypt, Jordan and the GCC are more powerful than the 60s and the recent UAE message of pulling of the Abraham accord is a clear signal that they have real weight in Washington. Israel cannot, in the current circumstances, expand. So I agree with your parent. What Israel currently is doi…

Right now - the evidence on the ground is that Gaza is pretty much fully occupied and largely uninhabitable.

Despite agreeing to leave under the brokered peace deal, Israel are still in southern Lebanon and show no sign of leaving. The flagrant breach of the original cease fire agreement appears to have no consequences.

The effective seige and annexation of the West bank appears to be gathering pace.

Smotrich said back in April that their campaign in Syria will end 'when Syria is dismantled' - they show no sign of leaving, and are still running operations in and around Damascus, and appear to be running the classic divide and conquer strategy.

While the countries you mention may be stronger - Syria and Lebanon are both very weak and very dependent on US 'aid'.

And in terms of US support, which I agree is critical in all this, they appear to have carte blanc from the current US administration.

Also criticism from EU countries is much more muted than their populations would like - for example the UK government is spending more effort on trying to lock up it's own protesting citizens ( for 14 years under anti-terror laws for doing nothing more that holding up a sign ) than doing anything to stop Israel.

Long term - who knows - but right now the plan does appear to be working.