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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by softwaredoug »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> the US is slowly distancing itself.

Public opinion in the US has turned against Israel, yes. Trump doesn't care about public opinion. He'll be buddy-buddy to Netanyahu other than symbolic acts of distancing / reprimanding.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by SilverElfin »

Amir_A wrote: post #55
weregiraffe wrote: post #5

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I agree, Israel should release the thousands of hostages its detained for decades and surrender to put an end to its judeo-supremacist policies

How are they Judeo-supremacist? Israel peacefully lets Islamic Arabs to live and practice their life - a whole 20% of their population. On the other hand, Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, literally talks about their Islamic supremacist goals in their charter. It’s not even something they’re afraid of admitting or think needs to be hidden.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by SilverElfin »

sirfz wrote: post #138
starik36 wrote: post #97

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The party refusing any kind of deal are Israel since their goal is annihilation of Palestinians. Hamas were ready from day one for a deal, their goal (contrary to israeli narrative of course) was to negotiate prisoner exchange for the 1000s of Palesitnian prisoners held by israel (including children). This is still their goal along with ceasefire and complete withdrawal from Gaza.

> The party refusing any kind of deal are Israel since their goal is annihilation of Palestinians

First, there is no such thing as a Palestinian - that’s a made up identity to falsely claim the region as their own. Second, there have been five two-state solution offers in the past, that Israel was ready to accept. Leaders on the other side refused. Third, Hamas is not accepting the current deal that is on the table, and is incredibly fair (given the lopsided hostage/prisoner release that favors Hamas). Fourth, Israel had already withdrawn from Gaza - that was the status quo when Hamas got elected and began a decades long campaign of terrorism - remember the literal thousands of rocket attacks on Israel? Fifth, if Israel’s goal is the “annihilation of Palestinians”, why are the 20% of Israel’s population that would identify as such doing so well? Clearly this isn’t their goal, but just misinformation.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by SilverElfin »

ReptileMan wrote: post #345
derriz wrote: post #309

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You can be the most efficient without being the one causing the most death. Maybe Israel is scoring well in terms of amount of starvation caused per hour of genocidal effort?

Doubtful, they have been spending tremendous efforts and the population of Gaza has barely bulged downwards. If this is genocide, they are shitty at it.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by sgjohnson »

sirfz wrote: post #138
starik36 wrote: post #97

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The party refusing any kind of deal are Israel since their goal is annihilation of Palestinians. Hamas were ready from day one for a deal, their goal (contrary to israeli narrative of course) was to negotiate prisoner exchange for the 1000s of Palesitnian prisoners held by israel (including children). This is still their goal along with ceasefire and complete withdrawal from Gaza.

Haha. No. Hamas goal with October 7 was exactly this. To provoke an Israeli overreaction in order to derail the diplomatic recognition talks between Israel and the Saudis.

Hamas just underestimated how much it would actually cost. Or maybe they didn’t, who knows.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jayveeone »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by jayveeone »

flyinglizard wrote: post #597
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

We can talk endlessly about strategy and long term implications (for example, the destruction of the Iranian "ring of fire" network of proxies, the permanent changes in Syria and Lebanon, etc), but consider something much more basic: Israelis around Gaza can finally live securely. There are no rockets coming from Gaza, no mortars, no chance of another October 7th or smaller incursions as long as the Israeli military…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by rzk »

jameshilliard wrote: post #177
buyucu wrote: post #151

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And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.

> And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades. The blockade was also imposed by Egypt[0] and Hamas certainly provided no shortage of security related justifications for the blockade. Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

> Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by wredcoll »

typpilol wrote: post #590
wredcoll wrote: post #581

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> Funny how literally every written record of history agrees the Jews are the people of Israel, but the Arabs don't. Why do people keep bringing this up as if it matters? Every piece of land has had someone living on it for the last 10,000 years, how does it matter that some group lived there in like 500 bce then a jewish tribe came in and then later some other tribe came in and so on.

Because it's literally the only Jewish land/state. Think of how many Arab states exist. Now think of how many Jewish states exist. Israel is literally the only claim to land Jews have. Have you seen the size of Israel? It's not exactly gigantic

There's no mormon land/state, or sikh, or uygur or a dozen other religions. What makes this religion so special that they should be allowed to conquer another nation to take their land for their own?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by monocasa »

softwaredoug wrote: post #601
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> the US is slowly distancing itself. Public opinion in the US has turned against Israel, yes. Trump doesn't care about public opinion. He'll be buddy-buddy to Netanyahu other than symbolic acts of distancing / reprimanding.

Trump turns on his friends the moment it's convenient to do so.
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