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Do you have something to counter the logical narrative or just an eye brow raise? If that's all you have to offer I'll raise you two eye brow raises.
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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized
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Rhodesia was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. Apartheid South Africa was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. French Algeria was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better. When Israel gets similarly "destroyed", and it is no longer a supremacist colonial state, and the people who remain are living with equal rights, it will be for the better. Everyone other than colonists and white s…
I can kind of accept South Africa as a success story, but Rhodesia?
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> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)
> way past where it made sense. If they don't destroy Hamas now, then a war will happen again in another 10 years. At which point 10s of thousands of palestinians will needlessly die, again. The only resolution to all of this, will happen when Hamas is completely disarmed and out of power. You can criticize how Israel goes about achieving that goal. But that goal is the only one that gets to a real, permanent peace.
You are basically saying that regardless of criticisms and international condemnation, Israel has no choice but commit war crimes and genocide? This is like "look what you made me do" defence in court, not sure it will save genocider Netanyahu from rotting in the Hague jail.
Nor would it stop us from boycotting Israel and calling out their genocide.
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Mhh, what if we let enough food into Gaza so that everyone can survive?
Why would Hamas have any reason to steal food then?
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#425Two numbers on the effectiveness of that strategy: 680.000 and 380.000. The total number of Palestinians murdered, and the number of those who were kids under 5 years old. source: https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/
These numbers are just false. Even the Hamas numbers are 10x less than this!
What are the numbers then?
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Hadash is not an anti-state party. For instance it explicitly supports a two state solution.
Hadash is a communist party, first and foremost. But the Arab parties - Balad, Raam, Taal - they are advocating for Palestinian "right of return" and turning Israel into a bi-national state, therefore ending what we know as Israel today.
Being against Israel's status as an ethnostate is hardly "anti-state".
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Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. [0] Not to mention th…
> How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator?
The only other option seems to be that Israel is about to destroy the rest of Gaza City, and take out the last major location that Hamas controls. So their options are to either accept the peace plan, or die.
I don't think Israel cares that much which choice Hamas choses. But yeah accepting this peace deal sounds like it it quite obviously the mostly likely option to help prevent all the buildings that are about to be destroyed and people who will be killed.
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> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)
Gaza has been under blockade since 2007, and the roots of the conflict date back to the founding of the Zionist Organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897 with the purpose to facilitate the escape of Jews from persecution in Eastern Europe by establishing a colony in Palestine. Israel has persecuted the indigenous people of Palestine ever since.
> the roots of the conflict date back to the founding of the Zionist Organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897 with the purpose to facilitate the escape of Jews from persecution in Eastern Europe by establishing a colony in Palestine
Please, the roots of this conflict go back millenia. Nothing done in the last hundred years have helped it. And the Palestinian people keep getting fucked by outside powers using them for their own ends, whether it be the Arab countries invading Israel or Iran having their sock puppets invite bombs. But it's a bit silly to imagine that if we poofed Israel and turned Israel & Palestine into a democracy that we wouldn't, within like two minutes, start seeing missiles flying.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's war initiated by Hamas Takes two to tango. Hamas started the war. Israel has continued it way past where it made sense. (No later than after Sinwar was killed.)
> way past where it made sense. If they don't destroy Hamas now, then a war will happen again in another 10 years. At which point 10s of thousands of palestinians will needlessly die, again. The only resolution to all of this, will happen when Hamas is completely disarmed and out of power. You can criticize how Israel goes about achieving that goal. But that goal is the only one that gets to a real, permanent peace.
> If they don't destroy Hamas now, then a war will happen again in another 10 years
Sure. Destroying Hamas doesn't require starving children. Let food in. Keep targeting Hamas.
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Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? They want the land, that's it. It could be done little by little or it could be done like now, when they have an excuse. But the end goal is the same. Do you think that what they are doing in the west-bank have anything to do with the hostages or Hamas?
Israel does not want gaza. They want the west bank. Gaza is worthless land, they just want the gazans gone.